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Recent Developments in Paleoanthropology These pages use a fairly conservative naming system. In recent years a number of changes have been suggested in the classification of hominid fossils.
Many people are now using the genus name Paranthropus, originally given to robustus, to refer to the robust australopithecines (robustus, boisei, and aethiopicus). This change makes sense if all these species form a clade (all of the species descended from a common ancestor) but it is not yet known if this is the case.
Here is a selection of recent discoveries and other developments in paleoanthropology:
Mar 2005: A newly-discovered partial skeleton from Mille in Ethiopia is claimed to be the world's oldest bipedal hominid. The fossil is about 4 million years old and has not yet been classified or published in the scientific literature, though it is said to fall between Ardipithecus ramidus and Australopithecus afarensis. Feb 2005: Two skulls found near the Omo River in Ethiopia in 1967 by Richard Leakey and thought to be about 130,000 years old have now been dated at 195,000 years, the oldest date known for a modern human skull (McDougall et al. 2005). The Omo I skull is fully modern, while Omo II has some archaic features. Oct 2004: A new species of hominid, Homo floresiensis, has been discovered on the Indonesian island of Flores. The most complete fossil is that of an almost complete skull and partial skeleton of a female who appears to be about a meter tall, with an astonishingly small brain size of 380cc. The floresiensis fossils date from between 38,000 and 18,000 and are thought to be a dwarf form of Homo erectus. (Brown et al. 2004, Morwood et al. 2004, Lahr and Foley 2004) Jul 2004: Fragments of a small H. erectus skull, OL 45500, have been discovered at Olorgesailie in Kenya. The skull is an adult or near-adult, and about 0.95 million years old. The brain size can not be measured directly, but from the size of the bones the skull is similar in size to the two larger Dmanisi skulls (D2280 and D2282) and so probably in the 650-800 cc range, which is small for erectus. (Potts et al. 2004, Schwartz 2004) (See also a New Scientist article, Petite skull reopens human ancestry debate, and my comments) Mar 2004: A new paper contains details of four new mtDNA sequences which have been retrieved from Neandertal fossils (Serre et al., 2004). This brings the number of known Neandertal mtDNA sequences to eight, all of which are closely related, and considerably different from all modern human mtDNA sequences. Mar 2004: Some fragmentary fossils discovered in Ethiopia and dating between 5.2 and 5.8 million years old were originally assigned to a new subspecies, Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba. Following further study, the finders have decided that the differences between them and other fossils justify assigning them to a new species, Ardipithecus kadabba. (Haile-Selassie et al. 2004, Begun 2004) Jun 2003: Three new skulls from Herto, Ethiopia, are the oldest known modern human fossils, at 160,000 yrs. The discoverers have assigned them to a new subspecies, Homo sapiens idaltu, and say that they are anatomically and chronologically intermediate between older archaic humans and more recent fully modern humans. Their age and anatomy is cited as strong evidence for the emergence of modern humans from Africa, and against the multiregional theory which argues that modern humans evolved in many places around the world. (White et al. 2003, Stringer 2003) Apr 2003: A new study has claimed an age of over 4 million years for the australopithecine skeleton Little Foot from South Africa. If true, this would make it one of the oldest known australopithecine fossils. (Partridge et al. 2003) Feb 2003: OH 65, a fossil from Olduvai Gorge consisting of an upper jaw and part of the lower face, may cause a reevaluation of the species Homo habilis. (Blumenschine et al. 2003, Tobias 2003) Jul 2002: A fossil skull discovered in Chad, between 6 and 7 million years old, has been assigned to a new genus and species, Sahelanthropus tchadensis. The skull is small and apelike, but with some features associated with hominids. (Brunet et al. 2002, Wood 2002) Jul 2002: The fossil skull D2700 discovered at Dmanisi, Georgia, is the smallest and most primitive hominid skull ever discovered outside of Africa, and although tentatively assigned to Homo erectus, it and two other skulls and three lower jaws appear in many ways to be intermediate between it and H. habilis. (Vekua et al. 2002, Balter and Gibbons 2002) These specimens have since been allocated to Homo georgicus (Gabunia et al. 2002) Mar 2002: According to its discoverers, a new Homo erectus skull from Bouri in Ethiopia, about 1 million years old, indicates that Homo ergaster should not be considered a separate species from Homo erectus (Asfaw et al. 2002) Dec 2001: A new study claims that Homo erectus had rapid dental growth rates and had not yet developed the slow growth rates of modern humans. (Dean et al. 2001, Moggi-Cecchi 2001) Jul 2001: A number of fragmentary fossils discovered between 1997 and 2001, and dating from 5.2 to 5.8 million years old, have been assigned to a new subspecies, Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba. (Haile-Selassie 2001) (P.S. this taxon was later named as a species, Ar. kadabba, in March 2004) Mar 2001: A 3.6 million year old fossil from Kenya, WT 40000, has been assigned to a new species and genus, Kenyanthropus platyops. (Leakey et al 2001, Lieberman 2001). Feb 2001: A French-Kenyan team has found a fossil claimed to be both considerably older than any other hominid (at 6 million years) and more advanced than the australopithecines. The fossil, originally nicknamed "Millennium Man", has been named Orrorin tugenensis, and is claimed by its finders to be a direct ancestor of humans, relegating the australopithecines to a side branch (Senut et al. 2001). These claims are being treated with caution so far (Aiello and Collard 2001). Jan 2001: A fossil of a 3.4 million year old hominid, probably belonging to a child, has been discovered in Ethiopia. Jan 2001: A new study has sequenced mitochondrial DNA from the anatomically modern Mungo Man fossil from Australia and found it to be outside the range of modern human mtDNA. The authors have claimed this is strong evidence for the multiregional model of human evolution, as opposed to the currently dominant Out Of Africa model (Adcock et al. 2001). However, other other experts have challenged this. Cooper et al. (2001) have published a rebuttal of this claim. Mar 2000: Mitochondrial DNA from a second Neandertal specimen (a baby from Mezmaiskaya Cave in Russia) has been successfully sequenced. Like the first specimen, it is well outside the range of variation of modern humans (Ovchinnikov et al. 2000, Höss 2000). Analysis of the mtDNA of a third Neandertal from Vindija in Croatia also confirms the earlier findings. (Krings et al. 2000) Apr 2000: Two Homo erectus crania and a mandible have been discovered at Dmanisi in the Republic of Georgia. They have been dated at about 1.7 million years. (Gabunia et al. 2000, Balter and Gibbons 2000) The complete skull of a female Australopithecus robustus has been discovered at Drimolen in South Africa, along with the lower jaw of a male robustus found only a few inches away. (Keyser 2000) Apr 1999: A new species, Australopithecus garhi, has been named from fossils found near Bouri in Ethiopia, by a joint Ethiopian, American and Japanese team. This small-brained, large-toothed hominid was found near antelope bones which had been butchered by stone tools (Asfaw et al. 1999). Apr 1999: According to Neandertal expert Erik Trinkaus, the 24500-year-old skeleton of a young boy found in Portugal contains characteristics of both modern human and Neandertals, and is evidence that the two groups interbred (Duarte et al. 1999). Oct 1998: Although it has not yet been fully excavated, it seems that virtually an entire australopithecine skeleton has been discovered by Ronald Clarke at Sterkfontein in South Africa. This skeleton belongs to the same individual as the "Little Foot" set of four foot bones discovered by Clarke in 1994 (see below). An article by geographer Jerome Dobson (1998) suggests that Neandertal features are caused by an iodine deficiency, or by a genetic difference in the thyroid. (Diseases associated with low-iodine diets are goiter and cretinism.) Expect this controversial claim to receive skeptical scrutiny from anthropologists. Jul 1998: Analysis of new A. africanus fossils from Sterkfontein in South Africa suggests that the forelimb and hindlimb proportions of africanus were more ape-like than in the earlier A. afarensis. (McHenry and Berger 1998) A well-preserved Homo cranium discovered in Eritrea is about 1 million years old, and contains a mixture of erectus and sapiens characteristics. (Abbate et al. 1998) A new A. boisei skull is one of the most complete known, and the first known with an associated cranium and lower jaw. It also has a surprising amount of variability from other boisei skulls, which may have implications for how hominid fossils are classified. (Suwa et al. 1997; Delson 1997) Jul 1997: In a stunning technical achievement, it appears that a portion of Neandertal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) has been successfully extracted for the first time. It differs by a surprising amount from equivalent modern human DNA, suggesting that Neandertals were not particularly closely related to any modern humans, and supporting (but certainly not proving) claims that they were a different species. (Krings et al. 1997; Kahn and Gibbons 1997) Some Homo fossils found recently in Spain, and dated at over 780,000 years, are the oldest confirmed European hominids. It is not yet clear what species they belong to, although the discoverers have named them Homo antecessor. (Bermudez de Castro et al. 1997; Kunzig R. 1997) The oldest known stone tools have been found at Gona, Ethiopia, in sediments dated at between 2.5 and 2.6 million years old. The makers are unknown, but may be early Homo. (Semaw et al. 1997) An upper jaw belonging to the genus Homo and dated at over 2.3 million years old has been found in Ethiopia, associated with stone tools. (Kimbel et al. 1996) Recent studies claim that some Javan skulls are between 51,000 and 27,000 years old, far more recent than previously thought. If confirmed, it means that Homo erectus and sapiens co-existed in this region for some time. (Swisher et al. 1996) A partial jaw found in Chad (Central Africa) greatly extends the geographical range in which australopithecines are known to have lived. The specimen, which has been nicknamed Abel, has since been named Australopithecus bahrelghazali. (Brunet et al. 1995) Four australopithecine foot bones dated at around 3.5 million years are the oldest hominid fossils yet found in South Africa. They seem to be adapted to bipedalism, but have an intriguing mixture of ape and human features (Clarke and Tobias 1995). Since then, 8 more foot and leg bones have been found from the same individual, who has been nicknamed Little Foot. Recent finds at Zafarraya in Spain suggest that Neandertals may have survived longer than previously thought, perhaps as recently as 27,000 years ago. Two hominid teeth in a small jaw fragment found in China and dated at around 1.9 million years are claimed as evidence that Homo arrived in Asia earlier than currently thought. 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Re: فرضية ود هباني ان ابونا ادم ســـــــوداني!! (Re: هشام هباني)
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شاءت الصدف ان التقي لاول مرة بالعم الاستاذ احمد ابراهيم دريج في عام 1997 بشقته بالقاهرة وانا برفقة صديقي العزيز عبد العزيز دفع الله... وقد اكتشفت ان العم دريج زميل دراسة للوالد المرحوم دكتور احمد هباني بمدرسة الدويم الريفية الوسطي وايضا زامله بحنتوب الثانوية.. واذكر انه عندما جاء الحديث عن دارفور وانسان دارفوري وعن برنامج الحزب الفيدرالي الذي يراسه عمنا دريج...فعندما اخذت فرصة الونسة استهللت حديث بذات ( الهترشة)التي احدثكم عنها الان حول هوية السودانيين وقصة تركز اسم ابونا ادم وامنا حواء في السودان وكيف انهما هبطا من الجنة الي الارض و تحديدا دارفور وبالضبط منطقة جبل مرة الي نهاية الهترشة التي حدثتكم عنها انفا! بعد ان استمع الي العم دريج قال لي ضاحكا انت يا هباني عاوز تقطع علينا رزق اهلنا الفورالعايشين معتمدين عمرهم كلو علي الجبل ده اي جبل مرة..عارف الخواجات ديل ناس جادين جدا وممكن اصدقوا كلامك ده اركب في ريسينن وبكرة اتمسكوا بيهو وكمان تتدخل اليونسكو باسم حماية البحوث العلمية والاثار تقوم تزرب الجبل ده كلو باعتبارو محمية يونيسكو وتمنع اهلنا في الجبل من الزراعة والرعي واقوموا العلماء بتاعين الاثاراكسروا الجبل وافتشوا علي ابونا ادم!!!)! فقلت له: طيب مالو الموضوع ده ما كويس برضو بجيب ليكم سياحة كبيرة ودولارات وبجوا الناس من كل انحاء العالم ازوروا ارض ابونا ادم!!! ضحكنا جميعا وكان سمرا سودانيا صادقا!!!
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Re: فرضية ود هباني ان ابونا ادم ســـــــوداني!! (Re: هشام هباني)
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wad habbani eid saeed to you and to abuna Adam
كل عام وأنت وأسرتك الكريمة بألف خير
ونسأل الله أن تعود للسودان عافيته بعيدا عن قاتليه وناهبيه
ومغتصبي نسائه ومذلي شرفائه ومشردي الغر الميامين من أبنائه
وأن يشمل القصاص العادل كل من قتل ونهب وسرق واغتصب وشرد وعذب
وأن يأخذ السودان مكانه الجدير به بين أمم الأرض معززا مكرما محترما
محبوبا وأن ينعم اهله بالوحدة والحرية والديمقراطية والعزة والكرامة
والتنمية المستدامة والرفاه وأن يعم الحب والأمن والطمأنينة والعدل
والمساواة كل أبنائه في كل ربوعه ونجوعه.
وكل عام والسودان وأنتم جميعكم بألف ألف خير.....
your brother and the son of aboona Adam
dr mustafa mahmoud
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Re: فرضية ود هباني ان ابونا ادم ســـــــوداني!! (Re: هشام هباني)
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*غايتو من ملاحظاتي انو ما في شعب في الدنيا(ازرق يعني اسود) من السودانيين يعني الزرقة العندنا اصلية ما اتلخبتت من ادم طول وده تاكيد انو نحن اصليين اولاد ادم لزم!
* اخوانا اولاد دارفور بصراحة كل واحد فيكم اتاكدمن فرضيتي حول تركز اسم (ادم وحواء) وتحديدا في منطقة دارفور.. وعايز كل واحد بصراحة احسب لي (اسم ادم وادمو وادامايا وادومة وحواية في نطاق الاسر بتاعتكم.. وشوف صحة الفرضية)! * وبعدين نجي لتقاطيع السودانيين الذين انحدرت منهم بقية شعوب العالم شوفوا التقاطيع بتاعات السودانيين مع فارق اللون بتشبه تقاطيع كتير من الشعوب البعيدة والقريبة...يعني اهلنا ناس جبال النوبة في تقاطيعهم لو اديتهم شعر سبيبي ولون اصفر بطلعوا ليك صينيين او يابانيين او كوريين عديل...حتى شكل العيون والخشم و الراس المدور والمطاول لي ورا بشبه ريسين الشعوب الصفراء. وكمان اهلنا الدينكا او النوير او الشلك يعني القبائل النيلية.. تقاطيعهم تشبه تقاطيع بعض الاوروبيين..يعني لو اديتهم لون ابيض وشعر ناعم بطلعوا ليك المان او انجليز عديل مع فارق شكل النخرين بسبب التكيف مع تغيرات المناخ ... وكمان بعض قبائل شمال السودان زي المحس والحلفاويين في تقاطيعهم بشبهوا الهنود..الانوف وكمان الشعر السبيبي وقبائل الشرق تشبه السلالات الحبشية الكوشيةواما بقية القبائل الاخري كل قبيلة بشبهها لحاجة برة السودان ! يعني الخلاصة انو من السودانيين انحدرت الشعوب الاخرى. باعتبار السودان بداية الحياة البشرية ومن هناك بدات الانقسامات والهجرات. * بس المحيرني جدا وملخبت راسي انو بحسب الحسابات التاريخية لعلماء السلالات انو يفترض ابونا ادم اكون هسع عمرو حوالي الخمستاشر الف سنة! والمصيبة انو اقدم انسان اكتشف في غرب اثيوبيا عمرو حوالي اربعة مليون سنة بعد الفحوصات العلمية!! يعني في بشر قبل ابونا ادم ظاااااطو!! وده كلام بتعارض مع قصص الاديان وبالحساب انو ادم يفترض عمرو لحد الليلة ما افوت ستاشر الف سنة!!
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Re: فرضية ود هباني ان ابونا ادم ســـــــوداني!! (Re: هشام هباني)
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The Evidences for a Recent Dating for Adam, about 14,000 to 15,000 years Before Present
A recent genetic study of human genes related to the brain concluded that possibly there appeared a "microcephalin variant (that) could have arisen anywhere from 14,000 to 60,000 years ago" and an "ASPM variant ranged from 500 to 14,000 years" ago and "roughly correlating with the development of written language, spread of agriculture and development of cities" (see more)
Now if one assumes that the "microcephalin variant could have arisen anywhere from 14,000 to 60,000 years ago", possibly could correspond to the "Big Bang" or "Fortuitous Mutation" that Richard G. Klein refers to in his book "The Dawn of Human Culture" and says occurred about 50,000 years ago. Then, what about the "ASPM variant ranged from 500 to 14,000 years" ago and "roughly correlating with the development of written language, spread of agriculture and development of cities" as proposed.
The Bible repeatedly says that Adam and his immediate offspring were farmers
Genesis 2:15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and too keep it."
Genesis 3:23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken."
Genesis 4:2 And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."
Here is a review of some of the findings by archaeologists concerning farming:
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Re: فرضية ود هباني ان ابونا ادم ســـــــوداني!! (Re: هشام هباني)
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ود هباني
دخلت في اللاهوت عديل كده؟
لا عليك ... دعنا نحلم شوية ... هو الحلم بقروش
لكن يا عزيزي ابونا ادم عليه السلام نزل من جنة الى جنة اخرى وما اظن بلادنا دي كانت جنة في يوم
من اليوم
انا زرت قمة ادم في سريلانكا حيث يوجد اثر قدم يعتقد الكثيرون انه اثر لنبينا ادم عليه السلام
عندما هبط الى الارض
طيب حواء الحنينة عليها السلام تكون من وين لو سيدنا ادم سوداني؟
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Re: فرضية ود هباني ان ابونا ادم ســـــــوداني!! (Re: حيدر حسن ميرغني)
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العزيز حيدر كل العام وانتم بخير
صحي خلينا النحلم ومن حقنا نحلم.. والحلم ما بقروش.. ودي اخر محاولة! وبعدين دحين يا خوي دي فيها غلاط سودانا ده ما الجنةظااااطها!! وبعدين ادم شنو النزل في سيريلانكا ده دحين قابلك سيريلانكي اسمو ادم ولا هندي اسمو ادم....واما امنا حواء دي من وين؟؟ .....مش قالوا هي ذاتها خلقوها من ضلعة ادم.. وعشان كده حتكون زرقاء يعني سوداء زي ادم عشان من طين ....واها قابلتك هندية لا صينية ولا اوروبية اسمهاحواء............حواء دي سودانية مية المية.... والله اعلم! لكن السؤال المهم ليه اسم ادم وحواء عندنا بتسموا بيهو السودانيين الزرق؟؟
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