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هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟


    عندما اطلعت علي وثيقة اجتماع رمبيك الشهير والذي عقدته الحركة الشعبية قبيل التوقيع علي اتفاقية نيفاشا بقيادة الراحل دكتور جون قرنق بحضور القادة الميدانيين للحركة الشعبية وقد كانوا كلهم من الاقليم الجنوبي وجبال النوبة وجنوب النيل الازرق
    وقد غاب عن قائمة حضور الاجتماع تقريبا كل القادة الشماليين حيث لم تظهر ابدا اسماء قادة اساسيين في هذه الحركةمثل الاخوة ياسر عرمان وهاشم بدر الدين وياسر جعفر وبازرعةووليد حامد وعبد الباقي ودكتور منصور خالد و دكتورالواثق كمير و دكتور محمد يوسف محمد ومولانا الراحل عبد الباسط العدناني واخرين!
    هل كان غيابهم عن هذا الاجتماع المصيري والهام جداامرا عفويا...ام سقطت اسماؤهم سهوا ام غيبوا عمدا عن هذا الاجتماع!؟اريد افادات من الاخوة اعضاء الحركة الشعبية الشماليين لتعميم الفائدة حول هذا الامر العام والهام.


    CONFIDENTIAL REPORT ON THE

    Joint meeting of the SPLM/A leadership Council,
    General Military Command Council,
    ######### of Commissions, SPLM Secretariats,
    SPLM County Secretaries, Civil Society & Community Leaders.

    RUMBEK 29TH OF NOVEMBER TO 1ST OF DECEMBER 2004

    DAY 1 Opening Prayer: Rev. Clement Janda
    Introduction: Cdr. Dr. Riek Machar
    Briefing: Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit

    Introduction

    Cdr. Dr. Riek Machar Thanked Cdr. Mark Nyipuoch, Cdr. Dr. John Garang and the other participants and announced the beginning of the meeting, which had been ordered by the Chairman. The first part of the meeting comprised of the leadership council, the Secretariats, and the members of the General Staff. The second part was composed of the members of IGAD team, and the Commissioners and Secretaries of the SPLM.

    In the opening of the meeting the Chairman Cdr. Dr. John Garang, thanked members of the SPLM/A national leadership Council and welcomed all the participants who traveled to Rumbek. ‘I thank you in the name of the Almighty God. To begin with I wrote two messages:

    One on 14/11/004 (No. 001/11/004) to address the following accusations/rumours;
    • That there was a meeting held in Nairobi under the Chairmanship of myself where Cdr. Salva Kiir would be replaced by the Chairman with Cdr. Nhial Deng.
    • That I went to Kampala and met with Cdr. Pieng and ordered him to arrest Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit.
    • That Cdr. Malual Majok went to Ramciel to collect forces to go and arrest Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit at Yei.

    They are all lies and a big propaganda initiative.

    The second message was on 23/11/04 calling for this meeting which we are now convening today and where I want to make a general briefing about the signing of peace next month in which each and every one should be informed accordingly.

    Cdr. Machar then welcomed Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit to brief the national leadership meeting where he welcomed the Chairman and C-in-C and the national leadership. ‘I confirm the two messages read to you by the Chairman are all true. The rumours came from Nairobi and around the leadership of the SPLM/A. The second message I got was through Cdr. Pagan Amum who was visiting the liberated areas with friends from friendly countries. I requested Cdr. Mabior Kuer to ask the HQs why I am not talking directly to the Chairman. I spoke to the Chairman when he was in Kampala and he told me that I should meet him in Yirol, which I didn’t reply to in the light of the rumours.

    The rumours implied that I will be arrested at Ramciel where the Chairman was, so I decided not to go. When I received that rumour, I called the security personnel in Yei and discussed the issue in length with them. I also informed them to find out where the sources of the rumours from Nairobi were coming from, which they did.

    After I spoke with the Chairman, I also met Cdr. Pieng in Yei for the whole day and he was advising me to join the Chairman in Yirol, which I refused. After that I met Cdr. Kuol Manyang and Cdr. Deng Alor. They came from Nairobi with information that I should go to Nairobi for reconciliation between the two of us. I considered the word reconciliation as something very serious, and therefore decided to tell them that I will not go to Nairobi. The HQs of the Chairman complained that they were calling me and that if I recognized their number, I would switch off the telephone. That is not true; I never received any call from them and switch off my telephone.

    I assure you that the allegation that I am against peace is not true. I am really for peace so that the International Community could rescue our suffering people. People of Bahr El Ghazal have suffered too much from repeated famine and from the Arab militias – and for these reasons I am the first to embrace peace to relief them from suffering. Peace efforts such as the Wunlit Peace Conference have up to date ceased hostilities between Western Upper Nile and Bahr El Ghazal; and that is good. So I need peace. There are those who want to create confusion in the Movement and fabricate such things. I don’t have personal problem with the Chairman.

    If we are National Leaders, which I don’t believe we are because we have no cohesion within our leadership structure, let us be sincere with ourselves. After meetings are concluded, we run to foreign countries. There is no code of conduct to guide the Movement’s structures. When the Chairman leaves for abroad, no directives are left and no one is left to act on his behalf. I don’t know with whom the Movement is left with; or does he carry it in his own brief case?

    The Chairman killed the national Executive Council (NEC) by creating the leadership Council. But there is no provision in the Convention for a ‘Leadership Council’. Does he want to revive the Political Military High Command? The Leadership Council creates a situation where all are directly reporting to the Chairman – including SPLM County Secretaries. When I mentioned these facts, they should not be construed to be my personal or family problems. Those around the Chairman don’t tell him the opinion of the public. The Chairman is everything, from a finance officer to one at the lowest level.

    Corruption, as a result of the lack of structures, has created a lack of accountability which has reached a proportion that will be difficult to eradicate.

    In fact, there are many outstanding administrative problems that require our attention. These include the infrequent converting of conferences at the leadership level, causing an absence in the SPLA/M chain of command and making others to directly communicate with the Chairman without following the right procedures. This should be corrected. If the responsibility of Governors goes directly to the Chairman, what will be the work of Cdr. Daniel Awet? I hope Cdr. Daniel Awet will address all those things. The Chairman should not make appointments of SPLM County Secretaries; it is the work of the Governors.

    The other issue I would like Comrade Chairman to address is how the CANS structures are now operating, e.g., take the absence of the SPLM Regional Secretary for Bahr El Gazal from his area of responsibility while there has been sporadic tribal feuds within the region – and which has resulted into sectional conflict. The Chairman most of the time send Cdr. Deng Alor on foreign missions which were supposed to be the work of Cdr. Nhial Deng.

    There are several other administrative issues that require correction. We are three Deputies without functions. The Chairman is responsible for all systems including the Army General Headquarters. Our HQs. started in Yei, then Rumbek, then new Cush and now Ramciel. When are we going to establish our HQs? The deputies of the General Staff are the ones commanding the forces; they should stay in the General Headquarters instead of commanding. Yet the Chairman is the one who dismantled the General Headquarters. Comrade Chairman, the establishment of the General headquarters hasn’t been fulfilled and this I have been requesting ever since Yei was liberated. Branch officers such as the Director of Military Intelligence and his deputy are now in your Headquarters, though they are supposed to remain at the General Headquarters. The Chairman concentrates on his headquarters forgetting the rest of the army. It is only his headquarters, which has military uniforms, boots and other supplies.

    Our present situation requires us to be organized and prepared. If peace is signed, the question is; what have we done in training our military cadres so that they meet the standard of their counterparts in the integrated army. There are rumours that the Chairman had already selected by name those Commanders who would command the Joint Integrated Army. What about the rest of the army and who will pay them? The Chairman seems to have taken the Movement as his own property. As we leave Rumbek after this meeting, I would like to see that all our administrative issues be addressed and implemented following this meeting’s resolutions.

    I would also want Comrade Chairman to give me full powers of the Chief of the General Staff (COGS) to enable me expedite the regrouping and reorganization of the SPLA, and if Comrade Chairman sees that I am not able to do that job, then he can appoint another person to do it.

    The Chairman is to be 1st Vice-President of the Sudan and the head of the Government of Southern Sudan, but he is not talking to Southerners. The North is organizing southern militias so that we fight among ourselves. We must unite our own ranks and not just unity with the north. On a personal basis, I don’t have any problems with the Chairman but our working relationship is bad and leaves a lot to be desired.

    I would also like to say something about rampant corruption in the Movement. At the moment some members of the Movement have formed private companies, bought houses and have huge bank accounts in foreign countries. I wonder what kind of system are we going to establish in South Sudan considering ourselves indulged in this respect.

    2nd Session

     Response from the Chairman. I give the floor to the national leadership to comment on what had been said by Cdr. Salva Kiir, I don’t want this to be a debate between Cdr. Salva Kiir and I.

     Edward Lino thanked the Chairman and said we are really in need of resolving the problems within the SPLM/A. The people of Abyei are accused of being Dr. John’s supporters and as such, are victimized for that. Cdr. Pieng made an intervention that Cdr. Edward was not addressing the issues.

     Cdr. Elijah Malok stated he really supported what Cdr. Salva Kiir said, and recommended that a collective leadership be created. Here in Bahr El Ghazal Cdr. Deng Alor has been away for too long and these are known facts; the leadership council should address and resolve these outstanding issues and go back on the right track. Let us form committees to reorganize the army, since all the units are here. I don’t believe what Cdr. Mayardit said about the people being victimized. Structures are to be recognized right way as a government so let us reorganize them and work in the right way as a government.

     Dr. Justin Yac. I will go with the suggestion of Cdr. Pieng that the Chairman response to the issues raised by Cdr. Salva Kiir.

     Cdr./Dr. John Garang I will give my contribution to what has been raised; that firstly we need to dispose of rumours. In the whole of South Sudan, there is a general concern from the citizens, and in Yei, the officers and citizens believe there is a danger facing the Movement. We have to clear the danger and give our people assurances.

    Cdr. Salva Kiir and I have been together in the movement for 22 years, and have been close friends, and we will continue that way. 22 years of friendship can’t be thrown away by rumours; Cdr. Salva will be with me now until the end of the interim period and beyond, and I will cite what was said when I visited Malual Kon and the “Luak” of the family of Cdr. Salva where I entered the house to show comradeship and a long cherished friendship. At a meeting while visiting there we were told, “You are the two orphans” left because the original members of the High Command died, both of us will carry on to bring peace.

    I cited what happened at New Site recently when the Chiefs a ceremony where a bull was sacrificed to show how we are united. At the spiritual performance, one traditional leader said that 4 things will happen:-
    1. The bull will urinate.
    2. The bull will fall down.
    3. The bull will face the North.
    4. The bull will die without being slaughtered.

    And all the four happened.

    The allegation that I was going to dismiss Cdr. Salva and arrest him was not only a lie, but it did not even occur in my mind. I was preoccupied with the peace process and not trying to create a crisis. Before UN Security Council Meeting, I received a telephone call from President Bush who said that he now had those who will work with him during the next four years and that I am one of them. President Bush said, “John don’t let us down. We want peace before the end of the year”.

    The allegation that I will be replacing Cdr. Salva was a bad lie. If Cdr. Salva was dismissed and replaced with Cdr. Nhial Deng Nhial, it would mean that I would have dismissed all those senior to Cdr. Nhial which includes Cdr. Riek, Cdr. James, Cdr. Daniel Awet, Cdr. Lual Diing, etc. – which would be bad for the Movement. So this allegation is a lie. The crisis only has the support of our enemies who want a crisis in the Movement. This situation was created by our enemies because they do not want to sign the peace agreement.

    The Chairman pointed out that the GOS has never been happy with the protocols, specially the Machakos protocol, because of the self-determination clause. The GOS and their supporters don’t accept the security arrangement and the Wealth Sharing Agreement, which gives the South of Sudan 51%. The Khartoum Government wants to reject the agreement being signed or at least delay it. By delaying in signing, Khartoum will gain $2.5 billion from the oil revenues, which we must prevent by all means possible. Khartoum was unhappy with the Power Sharing and 3 areas protocols. Neither I nor Cdr. Salva had any interest in delaying the peace agreement. I have nothing to gain by dismissing Cdr. Salva.

    Finally I have never had any thought of dismissing Cdr. Salva. And it should be considered a lie. This rumour has caused commotion everywhere in Southern Sudan, Khartoum and the Diaspora – so I will assure our people everywhere and send a strong message to Khartoum Government that they will not divide the SPLM/A.

    Cdr. Salva and I are innocent of the situation, and four of our leaders will appear in a press conference telling the whole world about our unity and that there is no problem among SPLM/A members. Secondly, I want to assure you of my confidence in Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit. My relationship with Cdr. Salva goes back to 1983 – Cdr. Chagai Atem, Kerubino and many others were close to me. I still have personal relationship with Cdr. Salva and I trust and have confidence in him. This is needed now than ever before. I want Cdr. Salva to be around me during the interim period, and beyond.

    The Government of Sudan called upon all the Newspapers to stop making allegations against the Movement. So let us put that issue to rest.

    Secondly, Cdr. Salva said that I brought all the officers around me, leaving him alone in vacuum. What I can say is that is not true.

    On internal reforms, I agree that reforms are necessary. We are all behind them. We have been making reforms since 1983, e.g., the Zonal Command, Political High Command, NLC, NEC, etc.. these structures can be changed but the objective remains the same. Our imperfect structures have brought us to the present day. Let us not throw away these structures now, otherwise we will throw ourselves away.

    The Chairman urged the meeting to introduce changes slowly. He said he is for change but slow change. The Chairman reiterated that all SPLM/A members will be protected; he assured all members that no one will be left out. On the issue of new comers who are said to be taking over the Movement, he said we should accept all southerners new or old because there are more southerners than members of the SPLM/A who must be accommodated; but no newcomer will displace anyone who has been with us for years.

    On the appointment of Governors; all Governors will be appointed from their respective areas, e.g. in Lakes the Governor here will come from Lakes. As for States, people of each State will form their governments with no marginalization within States.

    As for the Government of Southern Sudan (GOSS), there will be representation based on the states, fairness and justice. Similarly at the Central Government, there will be State representation. All Governments, whether GOSS or State Governments will be based on modern standardized structures.

    The army will be organized based on modern standards. The SPLM will be reorganized democratically. There will be a mult-party system. There will be no need for coup d’etat anymore, so for example my friend Dr. Riek Machar will not need to make a coup because he can form his own party if he is discontented with SPLM.

    The issue now is how to achieve a Comprehensive Peace Agreement. After that, the 2nd national Convention will be convened as soon as possible after the peace agreement is signed. The NIF Government is not happy having to sign the agreement on or before 31st December 2004. The Government is not happy with the UN Security Council Resolution1574. The NIF want to create an armed group loyal to them. They also want to create a political group from among southerners to be used by them. We must stop such a move that will create enemies among Southerners to fight among themselves.

    South-to-South dialogue must be organized properly, but the leadership has refused outside mediation. I told the European groups about our stand on this. The Power Sharing protocol states that the SPLM will form the Government in the South. The protocol give 15% to non-SPLM/A members and 15% to members of other parties. There will be discussions therefore with Southern parties.

    On Civil Society, we need to dialogue with them including the Churches. On top of that, lawyers and other concerned members will write a constitution for Southern Sudan. There will be a constitution for states and the rule of law will be established.

    Finally, regarding our vision and strategies; we must continue with our programmes because we are succeeding in the process. I reject the view that there are some of us who are unionists and others separatists within the SPLM/A. There are no such differences among our people. We are all for the unity of Southern people, and the Movement will carry out the referendum. As for members of the Khartoum National Government who have mutinied, there is a group calling themselves SPLM/A members. I told them that we want peace and we don’t want you to be SPLM/A now. I told the group to organize their own independent Movement, and not be associated with SPLM/A.

    On the structures the only way to resolve it is through the national Convention, which should be convened as soon as possible.

    3rd Session

     Cdr. Deng Monydit. Greeted everyone and praised the leaders for coming together. He stated his appreciation of the response given by the leadership; ‘I want to say I am happy to discuss what was about to be stolen from us, and it is not the concern of those in London. This struggle is not the private property of anybody. Whoever says the Movement is his property is wrong, for the movement is for all.

     Cdr. Garang Mobil. I thank the leaders. Since 1997 I decided to stay in my house because I did not believe that our problems should be solved by violence. Facts must be stated now in order to solve them once and for all. On the ‘orphans’ there six (6) members who died and only two (2) are left. The question I want to discuss today, is that there is a problem but the Chairman keeps saying there are no problems, only a ‘gap’ between him and Cdr. Salva. He will not accept there are problems in the New Sudan. But if the problem is not solved, there will be no peace. I also want to say that the movement is in the hands of a few and many are alienated. National resources must be shared by all, no matter how small it is. The structures are controlled by a few minority groups, and this must be sorted out now in Rumbek. This minority group is the problem; hand picking people must stop now because it is creating problems.

     Cdr. Agassio Akol. There is a problem because many people avoid Cdr. Salva as Deputy Chairman and Chief of the General Staff. The Governors and their deputies bypass Salva and correspond directly with the Chairman of the Movement, which I consider to be outside proper procedure. Cdr. Salva said that in his talks, he raised specific issues which he needed answers on. The Chairman must have failed to answer these issues, otherwise, the talks would have ended. Cdr. Salva said he did not blame anyone but the Chairman. He wanted the Chairman to tell him whether he was wrong or not. For example Cdr. Salva questioned the legitimacy of the leadership Council, as he considered it to be illegal.

    The National Convention is unlikely to come soon to solve the problems of our structures; the convention has no importance for now. For Cdr. Salva, structures cannot be done by a Convention. So who is going to organize the army? {Cdr. Mark Nyipuoc intervened by saying a press conference should be made.}

     Cdr. Taban Deng Gai. I want to express my appreciation and happiness for this meeting. It is good to discuss issues of this nature, which appear to divide our movement. I want to congratulate the leaders for agreeing to come to attend the meeting. I want to congratulate Dr. Riek, Ayendit and others for the mediation. If we had such mediation in 1991, there would have been no problems that year, and the coup d’etat would not have taken place. This meeting is on internal issues. Those in Khartoum are happy to see the SPLM/A destroyed by Southern interests. But we are now victorious for we have stopped that disaster. As for our system, there are institutions but not functioning ones. The Leadership Council will not take us anywhere. The era of the Political Military High Command is gone. We must have a modern system of government created by the following committees:
    1. Committee for the Army;
    2. Committee for the Government;
    3. Committee for the Judiciary; and
    4. The Parliament.
     Justice Ambrose Riny. I greet the Leadership and SPLA officers. In 1994 the Convention created institutions. When I talked about the independence of the Judiciary, many officers reacted against it. It was the intervention of the Chairman who permitted the Committee to complete its work. There have been difficulties and roadblocks by those who did not want a system. There have been difficulties in implementing the resolutions. In 2004, the leadership Council was set up to replace the NLC and NEC. The Leadership Council has no legal base to exist. The Chairman dissolved legally instituted organs of the movement as contained in the national convention of 1994, but unilaterally established illegal institutions which are not supported by any legal provisions of the convention thereof.

    I want to say that a lot has been done by a few. Most of the things done are imperfect, but they have served us. I appreciate what has been done on South-South dialogue under the SPLM/A Secretary General. The Chairman was supposed to establish a constitutional committee to draft our constitution. We must come together in a place where all departments are residing; there should be one center for the government of SPLM/A to stop all these rumours.

    I would like to point out that many members of the movement have lost their ability to sit in an office. I want to point out an incident where a commander told me that what Dr. John or Cdr. Kuol Manyang say ‘up there’ does not work in the South. What kind of a system is this, if it is not respected by its officers? There is no system respected in this movement. I suggest that a committee be formed to organize the army and a conference to inform the world and our supporters that there is no problem from within.

     Mama Kezia. I thank both leaders for coming together to discuss all the issues. I was happy with the 1st Vice-Chairman for saying everything in his heart. The rumours outside are bad. Both leaders say it was only a misunderstanding. I appreciate what is happening and I call upon Rev. Clement Janda to bless our conclusion. I agree with the 1st Vice-Chairman that there is something wrong with our system. After the death of the Chairman of my commission, no one has been appointed, and therefore there is no one to report to. For me it took three (3) years to see the leader of the movement. There isn’t a good system. But I think that from now on there will be a system in place.

     Cdr. Pieng. Greetings. I will be saying something different; that I have not been happy with our meetings that end without resolutions. I am a revolutionary soldier. I have both military and political interest and if anybody things I don’t have both, he is lying. I am not happy with the response of the Chairman; there are problems to be addressed, and these problems must be solved now.

    The Chairman has not committed mistakes; for me, they are unintended mistakes, for the Chairman could not create problems for himself. I mentioned that during the time of Kerubino there were problems. There were rumours that the Chairman was going to throw away his SPLM/A cadres and replace them with people who have not been in the movement since its inception. There must be committees to reorganize the movement; I agree with Cdr. Elijah Malok’s call for a system and committees. When the Chairman goes away on a visit, he never leaves anyone to act where officers should report to.

     Cdr. David. Greetings. I blame the Chief of the General Staff for having failed to do anything until now. But nothing is too late; I suggest that the army be organized now. First create a General Command for the SPLA, for there is no army without a General Staff.

     Cdr. Oyai Deng. I want to add my voice of being happy to participate in this meeting. When the movement started, you were seven (7) and now you are only two (2) remaining. Some said that you conspired against those who died and now you are conspiring against yourselves. I am shocked to hear Cdr. Salva talk here only about Bahr El Ghazal and not the South in general give he is a leader for all. I strongly agree with Cdr. Salva that when the Chairman goes away, he locks the South in his bag. This is wrong. Cdr. Salva has the right to question anything wrong. There is a problem that must be solved by taking the right decisions.

     Cdr. Gier Chuang. I understand what is happening; I didn’t believe that Dr. John will sit near Cdr. Salva again today. I am happy to see this conference. Many people have died due to internal differences and I refer to what had happened in the 1991 crisis. There must be resolutions for all issues, which bring about conflicts; there must be committees established, specially for the SPLA. I also pointed out that during the December 2003 meeting in New Site, there were no representatives from the army. What is a government without an army.

     Cdr. James Oath. I greet the gathering. When the movement started you were seven (7) and now you are only two (2) – five died having problems with you (Dr. John). Why do you have problems with your colleagues? The leadership has disabled the movement, so why keep it? Why is there a GMC, because it has never met until now? There is no SPLA ready to fight, and for me there is no army to order. If I am ordered to arrest Cdr. Salva, I do not have an army to arrest anyone. Even the Chief of Staff cannot order me to do anything because there is no army. There is no chance to meet the C-in-C – it will take long time to meet him. This is not good, therefore a committee must be formed now to sort everything out.

     Cdr. Oboto Mamur. Greetings. The Chairman always had problems with his colleagues. Now you are two (2) and you are turning against yourselves. Chairman you have been lying throughout since 1983. A Chairman should trust his deputies because there is a big problem here. I ask the Chairman whether he has mandated us to judge him? And if so, we will pass our judgment on him now. We don’t want to talk for the sake of talking. There must be a committee to follow up on all the resolutions agreed on here. And I add, the convention will not solve our problems.

     Cdr. George J. Deng. This meeting is a good opportunity to talk today in front of other commanders. The reply by Cdr. John to Cdr. Salva is not convincing at all. My suggestion is that a committee must be formed to organize things right away. There is no longer any army. Therefore a committee has to be formed for the agreement to succeed. I view the SPLA as my home; if the leaders want to go then it is up to them.

     Cdr. Malong Awan. Everyone is waiting for the outcome of this dispute. Both leaders therefore should solve their differences. If they don’t solve their differences then they should remain inside this room until the crisis is over. Nor should we blame our enemies for the rumours came from ourselves – we should not blame outsiders. For example Ayen Maguat went to talk to Cdr. Salva. Many from Yei volunteered to go to talk to Cdr. Salva. She complained that Cdr. Wani Igga was in Yei but failed to talk to Cdr. Salva. Instead he went to his village. This was not good leadership and I disagree with Cdr. Wani Igga’s position.

    Session 4.

     Cdr. Santo Ayang. I thank the communities of Bahr El Ghazal, Bor and the committees that went to Yei. Without them things would have got out of hand. The Chairman must tell us the truth about the source of these rumours. All that was circulated was not rumour, and no one was bribed by the enemy. You tell the world that you brought peace to Sudan, but the reality is that peace was brought about by those who fought for it and died. Those around you only please you and do not tell you the truth. I support the formation of committees suggested by Taban Deng Gai.

     Cdr. Ayuen Jongror. The conflict is within the leadership. When conflict arises, it must be resolved immediately. The two of you must be in one place and not in Nairobi and Yei. The style of your leadership is causing lots of problems. The GMC Secretariat was supposed to be formed, but since then, nothing has happened. The GMC should meet to discuss the issues of the army and structures of the Movement must be formed before the convention.

     Cdr. Elias Wai. There is fire so we need it not to burn further. Cdr. Salva is not convinced. All are not convinced with the reaction of the Chairman towards issues raised by Cdr. Salva Kiir. The Chairman is placing his relatives in key positions including Elijah Malok, too old, for example, to hold the position of Governor of the Central Bank. Note, there might be popular uprising one day and the army will join the public.

     Cdr. Jadalla. We are here to solve our problems. Committees should be formed to investigate the rumours. You think you are the founder of this movement, and as such, that you can do what you want without consulting people? The public is not ready for more problems.

     Cdr. Patrick Aitang. We are talking about rumours, but what do we do next? The letter alleged to have been written by Equatorians caused serious tensions. Thanks to Cdr. Salva for salvaging the situation. The ball is now in the court of the Chairman and he should come out with the facts leading up to this dispute. The Chairman should be bold and form the necessary structures.

     Cdr. Kitchener. The Chairman and Salva should work together until the end of the liberation struggle. We need leadership to lead us.

     Cdr. Ayual Makol. To achieve our objective, we must be united. If the two leaders of the Movement only agree to disagree, then it will lead to internal warfare. Form a committee to investigate the rumours

     Cdr. Dominic Dim. I agree that the Leadership Council should be abolished and the commissions replaced by the NEC. The Chairman has locked the NEC in his boxes. Dr. John’s response to Cdr. Salva was neither good nor sufficient. For me, there is still a problem as people still remain suspicious of the Chairman’s intentions. I reiterate that if the problem in question is not resolved, there will be a bigger problem in the Movement. I suggest that the Chairman be clear on resolving this conflict. We should remember how General Swar El Dahab was forced to take over during the crisis at that time. Cdr. Salva was asked by many people to take over, but he refused to do so. I support the formation of committees to restructure the movement and provide us with collective leadership.

     Cdr. Biong Ajang. I thank the previous speakers. Cdr. Salva has the right to blame the Leadership Council. The rumours are no longer rumours, but facts as said by Cdr. Salva. There is a problem and that problem should be solved now. I support the formation of committees. What transpired in Yei was the product of two rumours; 1) the arrest of Salva Kiir, and 2) the dismissal of Cdr. Salva Kiir.

    Cdr. Salva Kiir gave us the chance and invited us to meet. I thank the bodyguards of Salva for handling the situation very wisely. Dr. John has no powers to dismiss Cdr. Salva because the national Convention elected both of them. I emphasize that rumours do not only originate from Nairobi. Yei is also a source. I support formation of committees.

     Cdr. Ismail. We should combat the rumours. It is very unusual for a Deputy Chairman not to have easy access to the Chairman. However, forming committees is another way of avoiding the problem. The explanation of the Chairman hasn’t convinced most of the people nor answered what was raised by Cdr. Salva.

     Cdr. Dau Akec Deng. I thank the 1st Vice-Chairman for his stand.

     Lt. Col. Mathiang Rok. This meeting has saved the lives of many people in the South. I would like to quote from Francis Mading’s book; “things that are not said divide people”. The Leadership Council has taken the powers of the NLC. People still doubt the Chairman’s comments were satisfactory. There are many ‘huddles’ in the system, e.g. the Leadership Council has taken up the role of the National Convention. Our main concern is how the structures will be made functional. We are here to bring peace and harmony among ourselves. If there is anything, which is not clear, it should be said now!

     Cdr. Chagai Atem. These rumours started in 1994 and I was the chief negotiator between the two. Now they are caught red handed again.

     Father George Kinga. I greet and thank the leaders. The four leaders are great and must be respected. The issues are institutional ones. I also support the formation of committees.

     Mr. Pascal Babindi. I am happy to have the chance of addressing this important and historic meeting. The restructuring we decided on at the Gorok NLC meeting pushed us ahead. I am confident that the reforms that shall soon be made will also push us ahead.

     Cdr. Achol Marial. A committee should be formed to investigate into where those rumours originated from. I appeal to the leadership to mobilize resources prior to the formation of ministries.

     Dr. Komanyangi. The formation of committees shall lead to a final solution to all our problems. I suggest that we give ourselves time for these deliberations to continue for one more day so that all issues are exhausted.

     Cdr. Simon Kun Pouch. The speakers have not talked on how to combat corruption. The formation of a committee to work out functions for our structures is not really a priority because they already exist, we need only to share power and prepare job descriptions for all the institutions of the movement.

     Cdr. James Kok Ruea. A preparatory committee for the Convention should be formed within the shortest time possible. We should work on the structures that will make the Movement function during the interim period as follows: 1) 1st Vice Chairman to chair the GMC, 2) 2nd Vice Chairman to chair the committee for the interim period and 3) 3rd Vice Chairman to chair the committee for National Convention.

     Mr. Muhammad Marjan. I believe that the world is looking forward to knowing what our movement will be like once peace is signed and we emerge as a government.

     Cdr. Michael Makuei Lueth. There is no need to form a committee to investigate the rumours, which were circulating, unless Cdr. Salva insists that they have never been rumours. I call upon both the Chairman and Cdr. Salva to build confidence between themselves. I assure the Chairman that as we are entering a new era, and if we remain in an unprepared manner, we will eventually be finished. The immediate establishment of our structures is necessary. The distribution of powers is also necessary. The army must be organized. There is also the importance of speeding up South-South dialogue before we enter the forthcoming era. The other issue is corruption. I am saying that the leadership is not committed to fighting corruption. I am against the suggestion that there should be a committee for the army’s reorganization. It is for the COGS, his deputies, and the directors to sit at the GHQs and issue orders according to the plans they set. The national Liberation members should not blame the Chairman alone. In Gorok, the NLC gave the Chairman a blank cheque to restructure the movement, and that was when things started to go wrong.

    DAY 2

    Session 1

    Opening remarks by the Master of ceremony after prayers noted that the present meeting has come out in the internet; and a warning was given to those who might have done so.

     Mr. Kosti Manibe. I want to add my voice to those who have already spoken. I express my appreciation to those concerned for having resorted to peace negotiations and to end the conflict through dialogue. I am happy that the 1991 disaster has been avoided. I acknowledge the existence of gaps in the system and I call upon the leaders to address the communication needs. I stress the need for media to send accurate messages to our people, enemies, etc.. The Movement should have a capacity for communication to deal with the media when required. I point out that a lot has been achieved – 90% of the objectives have been achieved. There are structures, but a lot of work requires to be done

    The JAM’s programme on capacity building should be followed. Functions will be set out. On policy issues, I suggest that a lot remains to be done to build confidence in our system and institutions. I suggest that there is a need to form a small committee to look into the minutes of this meeting and to identify the crucial issues that needs resolutions as soon as possible. Such information should be disseminated.

     Cdr. John Luke. I am happy that the rumours have been resolved. The rumours of the dismissal of Cdr. Salva has been on air for a long time. There were other rumours that Cdr. James Wani was going to be replaced by Cdr. Pagan. Some responsible people in the Leadership Council have been quoted as saying that Cdr. Salva, with support from Bona Malual, will make a coup. There has been a problem among members of Leadership Council who have been complaining a lot. There is no system, especially in the office of the Chairman, which is treated as a private entity. The office of a leader must be well organized and staffed properly to do its work.

    On the responsibility of leadership, Cdr. Dr. John should not be blamed alone because there are others. The dissolution of the Leadership Council will not mean that a normal system will be established. No proper changes will take place, even if the Leadership Council is dissolved. If Dr. Garang dissolves the Leadership Council, he will appoint the same people in the L.C. There is no need to make changes now until peace is signed. The formation process f or the government needs wide consultation; people should wait for a month until peace is signed.

    The Chairman is being accused for not implementing decisions. In the army, if you need structures, I see Cdr. Salva as a political figure; so a pure army officer should be appointed as Chief of Staff and Cdr. Salva should be given a Commission. This way, the army should be run by an army officer who is not a politician.

    Why is the leadership avoiding South-South dialogue? The Chairman refused to accept dialogue, but claims it after others implemented it. It was Cdr. Salva who supported the Wunlit Peace Conference – but the Chairman was against it. At the recent conference in Nairobi organized by the Kenyan Minister for Planning, the SPLM/A failed to attend because the Chairman had refused to let the SPLM attend. Cdr. James Wani is weak and the Chairman uses him to kill things related to South-South dialogue. The NLC is dead and I suggest that an emergency convention be organized immediately.

     Cdr. Marc Nyipouch. Cdr. Marc stated that the rumour that madam Nyandeng was arrested with 3.5 is libel and defamation. He continued to cite the case of General Lagu during the Regional Government. On the issue of Governor Deng Alor, Cdr. Marc said that Cdr. Deng collects money from abroad, banks it with the Chairman’s or his (Deng’s)
    bank account, and that is why Deng Alor was taken away from the region – just to do that. Something Nhial has failed to do but what Deng is able to do. Deng should either be a Governor of Bahr el Ghazal or be replaced.

     Mr. Arthur Akuien. I am being called the Finance Secretary but without any finance. I want to point out that the rumours have been destructive and that the leadership style encourages such rumours. I want to say that the Chairman does not delegate powers to his deputies. The Chairman is responsible for creating this crisis in the movement.

    On the structures, there are structures. But the Chairman after appointing someone to a position does not work with him, but he will appoint someone else to do the work, which is wrong. The Chairman creates all these problems within the system, and this is why he is being blamed. I also point out when a senior person tries to discipline a junior, the Chairman always fails to solve the problem among the staff and instead interferes. The leadership style of the Chairman’s work is bad and cannot be corrected. The Chairman has not been doing well in his job and he may be forced to leave his office before six years.

     Dr. Justin Yac. The Chairman is good for external contacts but within his own institutions he is not good. The Chairman is good in talking but poor in doing things. The Cdrs. Condemned him the day before and I quote Cdr. Salva who said that “Dr. John does not forget and does not forgive”, and who ever quarreled him ended up dead.

    Many people know the Chairman’s abilities and weaknesses for the last twenty-two years. The Chairman can impress people when he talks, but lacks action. The commanders the day before gave the Chairman grade F because he failed to adequately answer the issues raised by Cdr. Salva. The Chairman should not think that he is always right; rather he must admit his mistakes. The Chairman must work with a team and not be a leader of the NLC and Chairman of SPLM. Leadership must be collective.

    The officers the other day faced the Chairman with hard facts, but we have not been telling the Chairman the truth. We are also to blame. The Chairman should respond to issues of structures to avoid the recurrence of this problem. The Chairman can listen and write on issues, but he always discards them. The Chairman has been everything ever since the movement started. I call upon the Chairman to work with people and not alone. The Chairman should know that he has been wrong because some of the members have not been telling him the truth. Some leaders should be blamed for not doing their part, for many have not been doing things properly. I repeat what Cdr. Salva said that Dr. John does not forget and forgive. So I want to say that those without guns are vulnerable. The Cdrs. Are secure because they have guns to protect themselves from the Chairman, but I ask, who is going to protect those of us without guns?

    I call upon Dr. John to listen to all the demands and that he (the Chairman) should make changes and suitable structures. I also suggest that the Rumbek meeting should come up with resolutions that we support the finalization of the peace agreement now, all should be committed to the peace process.

    On the issue of dissolution of the leadership council, there is no difference so no changes are necessary. I urge the Chairman to work closely with his aids. We have sat here because we are part and parcel of the executive and leadership as well. Mr. Chairman, I urge you to treat us equally and remove doubts that there are people you prefer.

     Cdr. Elijah Malok. I propose the formation of three (3) committees, and that they remain here in Rumbek to start their work as we may have problems with resources and the committees should finish before December 31st.

     Cdr. John Koang Nyuon. I thank the Chairman and his 1st Deputy to have responded positively to our wish to sit, as we are doing now to discuss and resolve issues that create misunderstandings. Rumours always create problems. The availability of Thuraya telephones in abundance is really a problem as some of their users can verbally reveal our secrets for the sake of money or any other reason. The reaction by some officers is appreciated, as they only want the resolution of our outstanding problems.

    I suggest the formation of regional committees to organize our army within the coming month since you mentioned that peace is likely to be signed by the end of December. I see this as the immediate priority other than the rest we are now discussing – as other structures already exist. To organize the army is not so difficult.

    A clarification was made by 1st Vice Chairman Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit: “What brought us here to meet is the question of the rumours, which have been circulating. As the Chairman read in his messages, we haven’t reached a conclusion, as we have not known from where they emanate. When I went to greet the Chairman it was immediately announced that Cdr. Salva has met with Dr. John and their differences are resolved. The question is how does this news go out? I believe that they are not from my part. The rumours came from Nairobi not from Yei”.

     Cdr. Abdelaziz Adam Alhilu. The structures formed during the 1st national convention exist, the only thing is that they are not effective due to meager resources. The lack of adequate resources is the main problem that affects their functioning. Instability is also a factor. A system normally operates when the enemy is inactive.

    The establishment of structures at present when peace is not yet signed will also put us in difficulties, so it is important to wait for a conducive atmosphere. I agree with the suggestion for the 2nd national convention to take place as soon as possible. I don’t agree with those who say committees should be formed to organize the army. I see it fit that local committees shoulder such responsibilities provided that resources are made available.

     Cdr. Daniel Awet Akot. This is a good opportunity for one to air out what had been said before, As Dr. John and Cdr. Salva put it, that they don’t have personal or political problems – then that is appreciated.

     Cdr. Ayuen Alier. If the style of leadership is changed, things will automatically change for the better. The whole issue is our general problem not only the Chairman and his deputies. Our top leaders restricted travel to Nairobi with their officers, but that cannot work. Every-body gets there on his own. There is a necessity that capacity building starts now. Cdr. Ayuen made the additional observation, that the lack of self- confidence is always the cause of our problems, and as for rumours, which have been confusing, I assure you that those who have self-confidence cannot be affected by rumours.

    The suggestion by Cdr. Elijah Malok that committees be formed and start their work here in Rumbek is supported by me. The delegation for the peace talks should be the only ones to go: let us support peace because it is the requirement for now. Mr. Chairman I end by thanking both of you for having cooled your nerves. Come together to discuss so that we can resolve whatever problems are facing us.

     Cdr. Kuol Manyang. I think this meeting is historical and as we enter a new era, we are going to be more united after this meeting. You differ with someone and you reconcile. Differences are natural. A person can easily make a problem between him and another. We have to unite and this is how you can overcome rumours, which confuses the people. Like the recent situation, I was informed through unofficial channels that Cdr. Salva had been removed. I called Cdr. Deng Alor and we were joined by Cdr. Awet and we went to Cdr. Salva and told him that what is being alleged is a lie, and that there was no meeting held concerning this. We then moved to Nairobi where we communicated this issue to Dr. John Garang and that was when this meeting was planned and Cdr. James Kok and Cdr. Nhial were asked to organize transportation to this end.

    So I thank both Cdr./Dr. John Garang and Cdr. Salva Kiir for having attended this meeting and permitting us to discuss and come up with decisions that promotes unity and harmony. Differences between Cdr. Salva and Dr. John existed from a long time ago, as Cdr. Chagai mentioned, but there was no decisive steps taken to resolve them until today.

    As for structures, they are there. The only problem is how to maintain and have them effectively function due to a lack of resources. Our structures have to be operationalized. But the matter is not a question of dissolving other bodies such as the Leadership Council, NLC and so on. I don’t have any objection with the formation of committees, but I only say that reorganization of the army must be the responsibility of COGS and his Deputies. I urge both of you, the Chairman and Cdr. Salva to open a new page in order for us to go forward.

     Cdr. Nhial. People should be judged by what they have contributed to the Movement. We should sincerely address our issues. I am absolutely prepared for the proposal to dissolve the Leadership Council and we all see what scenario we can take.

    To have structures and institutions you need to have three things; 1) the structure itself, 2) resources, and 3) the people, because its people who run the structures. The resources and the personnel go together. Without having prepared for this, it is now one of the serious problems we face as we enter the forthcoming era.

     CDr. Malik Agar. The current issue of the differences between the Chairman and his deputy is surprising in that I was aware of this even ten years ago. Whenever it is about to be addressed, each of them says there is ‘no problem’. The big problem is trust among yourselves. This needs to be rebuilt and you will be the ones to arrive at sound solutions to the existing problems.

    Comrade Chairman, as we enter the new era, we shall be competing with other parties. Let us start with the effective establishment of our structures and draw up our programmes. We need a system. I have worked as a Governor for ten (10) years; yet, I could have committed many mistakes during that time. Has the Chairman any day called me to tell me that I have made a mistake? There is no system here.

    The issue of reorganizing the army is a burning issue as most of the soldiers are now in an unorganized form and this will work against us. As monitors will verify, we don’t have the army. The distribution of powers is the vital issue to avoid future misunderstandings.

    Cdr. Pagan Amum Okech. Comrade Chairman, I will focus on the crucial issue, but before that, I want to tell you this. We are here to discuss the rumours that have been circulating and which almost created a very serious development within the movement’s liberated areas, in Khartoum and among the Diaspora. My advice is to the Southerners who have fought for the last twenty two (22) years. I am first going to concentrate on the recent rumours. Cdr. Gier happened to ring me asking me whether I came across information from Yei that the leadership have met and decided to remove him from the second position. I advised Cdr. Gier not to believe that because it is a rumour, and if it spreads, it will create confusion. He then heeded my advice. Again Cdr. Deng Alor phoned to me on the same issue, but I also told him that these are rumours and Cdr. Salva should not believe such rumours. There had been meetings in Khartoum and there was a public statement made by Uncle Bona Malual and retired General Joseph Lagu. If the enemy succeeds in dividing us, it may lead to our failure and peace may not be achieved.

    This time is very critical Cdr. Salva and Cdr. Chairman; if we say we will remain here to deal with the rumours only, I think we will be here up to the coming year. I advise both of you to put aside these rumours. Even though we did not defeat the enemy, what we had achieved will make the enemy coincide with what we tell them. At this crucial moment we must think thoroughly of what we should do to enable us go forward. This is my appeal to both of you Cdr. Salva and Cdr. Chairman. There is another rumour now that I want to take the place of Cdr. James Wani Igga. I assure you Cdr. Wani that there is nothing like this at all.

    The establishment and building of structures at this particular time is vital. Our priority is now to finalize the peace talks. The Chairman and his deputies must go to Nairobi so that we are not considered intransigent because the process can easily be derailed. Concerning the reorganization of the COGS and his deputies, we can do that unless the problem of resources hinders us.

     Cdr. James Wani Igga. I congratulate the Chairman for calling this important meeting. I also congratulate Cdr. Salva for having attended this meeting. This paves a way for a solution to our problems. I thank both of you for your patriotic stand since the beginning of the struggle – both of you have collectively worked to protect this movement from upheavals. I consider you as the central pillars of this Movement. Let me come to the main topics, which are the SPLM/A’s major problems. Solving a problem is like bringing pus out from somebody’s gull. Problem No. 1, we are not working as a team, which results in disgruntlement.

    No. 2, we have the structures formed in the 1994 Convention which were only the NEC & NLC, but by 1998, people became fed up of those structures. I appeal that we keep these structures but make necessary changes. I would like to underline something connected with structure. In 1998 we came out with a constitution named the SPLM constitution. This was not passed by the NLC because they were expecting a state constitution. But we had agreed to use that constitution, and there are structures there. In one of the L.C. meetings we had revised the constitution and even the manifesto. Up to now, we had passed four (4) documents. The SPLM constitution. The SPLM manifesto. The 3rd document is the SPLM policy on dialogue and it concerns how we go about South-South dialogue. Our main constraint in starting South-South dialogue is the lack of money. Documents No. 4, is the SPLM policy on the transformation of Sudan. All these documents are there ready. Comrade Chairman, our constraint in the political Affairs Commission is lack of facilities, but we have really tried our best. As for the army reorganization, if we become surprised by the signing of the peace deal, I think it will be difficult to regroup our army simply because we don’t have resources. Once peace is signed, there is going to be the establishment of standard national structures. Structures are our No. 2 problems, including the official management of office institutions.

    Cdr. Wani listed other problems:
    No. 3: The existence of a Kitchen Cabinet is deplorable and creates doubts and mistrust.

    No. 4: The geographical imbalances found in the movement. If this is not addressed, we will never be in harmony.
    No. 5: Poor chain of command.
    No. 6: Spread of rumours.

    Let’s come to the question of rumours. When rumours were developing I was in Nairobi and I went to Kampala. When I reached Kaya, I was being asked what had happened. I was then told that you are coming from Nairobi and that you met and decided to replace Cdr. Salva with Cdr. Nhial. I told that that this is just rumours and I believe that Cdr. Salva will not believe this. He will immediately throw it out the window.

    Problem 7: Lack of implementation of resolutions and the lack of a follow up body. Our resolutions always die on the paper.
    Problem 8: Corruption which remains rampant in the Movement. Corruption must be fought for example, some years back the Chairman in a meeting informed us that Cdr. Deng Alor brought some money from Nigeria, but how that money was spent had never been explained to us again. I ask the question where is the transparency and accountability we talked about?

    Problem 9: Lack of cooperation, accompanied by sabotage. Some work for the
    downfall of others without any accountability.

    Problem 10: Neglect of the army and its welfare.
    Problem 11: Absence of job description, which cause confusion.
    Problem 12: Nepotism. It should be fought.

    There are two examples to illustrate the issue of nepotism. One is the removal of Aleu Anyeny from his position and his replacement by the Chairman with an officer from his home village. Another is the appointment of Dr. Lual Deng as an advisor to the Chairman. We all heard this in a meeting in which the Chairman announced Lual’s appointment without any official procedures followed. When I talk about regional imbalances, all I need to say is that no Equatorian was even allowed to be a signatory of the six protocols. We are making history and this history should involve all the people of New Sudan. The protocols are only signed by individuals from Bahr el Ghazal, Upper Nile, Nuba Mountains and Funj!

    Problem 13: Neglect in the chain of command, which has led to indiscipline.

    Cdr. Wani proposed a way forward. I suggest that an investigation committee be appointed by the Chairman to find out the origination of these rumours. Let’s avoid ‘Kitchen Cabinets’ and combat corruption. We need a mechanism to be adopted to fight corruption. Let’s respect the chain of command. Let’s avoid any regional misbalancing. Job descriptions must be effected. South-South dialogue advanced. The convening of the second National convention requires additional money. The reaction of the Chairman to all the listed problems is necessary. As a sign of true reconciliation, they need to warmly greet themselves in front of us here, then follow that up with a joint statement. A traditional ceremony should be carried out by some of the elders here. We take what had happened like a normal wave when in a canoe. Let us reconcile so that we defeat our common enemy.

     Cdr. Riek Machar. I was struggling whether to speak or not because of the nature of the issues being raised. When we met as a Leadership Council, there were divergent views. Before that I met Aleu Anyieny and he told me that if you are going to talk to Cdr. Salva, don’t talk about the problems being personal. These problems are administrative. Serious rumours have also been circulating in London when I was there. They talked about a ‘change of the guards’ and the removal and replacement of Cdr. Salva by Cdr. Nhial. I appealed to the participants in that meeting that we should unite since we are entering peace, because if there is a split, the enemy may dishonour the agreement we had already signed. In any case, suppose we sign the peace, the SPLA will be a national army whereas the SPLM will be competing with other political parties. The SPLA must retain an independent national character.

    Concerning the structures, I have participated in a workshop on the formation of structures at all levels including the transformation of the SPLM into a political party. These are all being worked out. We are only behind in our military preparations. This doesn’t need a committee to do that. The COGS, his deputies, directors, and local commanders can do that. The army is the most important element to protect the gains of the struggle and as such we need to organize it and take care of them and their families. We all have to participate in calling them to report to their units or camps where they should regroup and organize. Our chiefs are important institutions that can effectively participate in this endeavor.

    Another problem we will face is the returnees, which are estimated to be up to 4 million residing in exile for almost fifteen years. They have acquired different attitudes, culture and perspectives. Not only are they in the north, but we have a good number of our people living in various western countries. We will be confronted by all these groups with a series of problems of cultural differences and we must be prepared to integrate these two groups into our civil life and norms.

    I believe that unless something happens in Khartoum, the war is over. Unless the enemy causes us to split, the war is over. This requires us to expedite the reorganization of the army. I do not agree with Mathiang Rok about his suggestion that committees be formed to discuss the six (6) signed protocols. In addition, we should be privileged that the UN SG visited Africa to discuss the issue of peace in Sudan – The first time it happened was during the decolonization of Africa – making the achievement of peace highly likely this year.

    As for South-South dialogue, we can start now. We should be prepared to negotiate with whatever party is ready to dialogue. If we wait until the government is formed, they will be the ones to undermine the GOSS. We must achieve consensus. Let us not delay south-south dialogue. The lack of dialogue can be a source of disunity, but if we handle it properly, it can also be a source of unity and this will allow the people to rally behind the leadership. There is a need to call the NLC as soon as possible to deliberate on the agreement. What I mean is the current NLC. The next convention, which needs to be convened as soon as possible, will elect a new NLC and who will be charged with the responsibility of working on a national constitutional government of south Sudan, etc.. From now, we have agreed that the judiciary be independent.

    Session 5

     Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit. Greetings to the Chairman and Madame de Mabior and others in this meeting. We apologize for not allowing you to attend the first meeting, which lasted for two days. The second meeting is composed of SPLM Counties Secretaries, civil society, women groups, the youth, etc.. The decision was deliberate and we did not want the meeting to be talking shop.

    I have no more to say. The issue which brought us here have been raised and you all have given your concerns. Let us take the line of peace to be the priority. In the absence of peace we must be prepared for war. There had been many Security Council resolutions of the same nature passed like this of Sudan, but have not been implemented, such as the PLO, Western Sahara, etc..

    I thank those who have exerted efforts to travel from their various locations to Yei where they met me on the situation. As I told you, there were no personal problems, they are administrative given my profession, and I know that rumours are dangerous. Rumours must be treated as rumours, but there is no smoke without fire. I don’t agree with Cdr. Wani that these rumours were created by the enemy. There are people among us who are more dangerous than the enemy. I must warn the Chairman that Nimeiri was made to be unpopular by his security organs. Those who are misleading you and giving you false security information about others will suffer with you together or leave with you. The government, which is going to be led by you must include all. Without unity, the agreement will be a source of our disunity. We are not organized in all aspects, and as such will be exploited by other political parties that are more organized. The lack in our structures and political guidance will lead us to a very serious political defeat. Mr. Chairman, you have talked about people eating the boat while we are in the middle of the river. Let me add this; the issue is not eating the boat in the middle of the river. The issue is that there are a few who have already crossed to the other side of the river and when the remaining ones asked them to bring the boat, they refused to return the boat. This is the problem; that you and a few who have already gone to the other side of the river do not want the rest of the south to join. Another thing I need to tell you is the story of a dog that saw danger in the darkness, and when it barked to alert the rest, the owner beat it to keep it quiet. Nevertheless, the dog still grumbled and wasn’t satisfied with the reaction of its owner because the danger persisted and the dog continued to cry. Some of us see the danger, but you are not listening.

    There are also other major problems; the chain of command should be observed as from today onwards. Peter Gadet left the Movement because of a break down in the chain of command. Corruption has led to the collapse of services in our liberated areas. I urge the Chairman to immediately start a mechanism to fight corruption. Money, which was taken in order to bring the New Sudan currency, can be brought back and directed to other programmes. The issue of Radio SPLA is not clear. Why is it not brought out publicly? Powers should be given whenever you are given something to do.

    Now that we have agreed and that our main difference is to come to an end, there is no need to revive it again. I am asking the Chairman to take the lead. I end by telling the Chairman that we can open a new page of a book, which doesn’t end. Thank you.

     Cdr. John Garang de Mabior. Thank you for allowing me to talk while I am sitting. Greetings to all in the hall. Because of this meeting we left a scanty committee to continue with the peace talks in Kenya. The government wants to take advantage of our absence in the talks. As always, the movement is guilty by default. While I am asked to talk further, I will elaborate on the following:-
    1. Rumours
    2. Building trust and confidence
    3. Structures
    4. Assignments

    I appreciate how the meeting has been conducted. I am thanking the delegations that contributed to resolving this unfortunate problem, but above all, I sincerely thank Cdr. Salva Kiir for his patriotic stand to avert this situation which would have exploded had it not been for his firm stand.

    The rumours, which almost divided the Movement have been halted. Although the English say there is no smoke without fire, in the south, there is smoke without fire. To demonstrate this, at one time I was reported to have been shot by my body guard who was no other than James Oath and taken to Romania for treatment. The Romanian authority refuted the allegation and said that I was not wounded nor taken to Romania. At that material time, James Oath who was the assassin was with me in the same place when the news was broadcast over the BBC.

    Our enemies will be assured that we are united and strong. I was sincere in my speech that the alleged removal and replacement of Cdr. Salva with Cdr. Nhial Deng was never true. We will communicate the message that these rumours were false to the communities wherever they are, whether inside the Sudan or in the Diaspora.

    If there was going to be split this time, it would have been more damaging than the one of 1991. How this problem has been resolved shows the maturity of the movement. The movement is more united now and we congratulate ourselves for this endeavor. Each movement has its own characteristics. Cuba only held a convention three times in its liberation history and the PLO had only one convention since it was formed.

    On the other issues of trust and confidence, I assure you sincerely that these sentiments are there and shall remain unshakeable. On the issue of forgetting and forgiving, there is no quarrel between me and Cdr. Salva. I reject the idea that I do not forgive and forget problems with those I quarrel with.

    On those who died (former members of the Political Military High Command), I was not responsible for their death as can be seen by how each one died. No one will be victimized hereafter. The example cited by Dr. Justin Yac will not take place in the SPLM/A again and I (Dr. John) will do everything to build trust and confidence between Salva and I.

    Concerning the structures, it is very important to have structures but as time goes on, they shall be put perfect now. The structures we formed in 1994 were dictated by the changing situation at the international level. There are going to be 10 states and each state is going to be administered by the sons and daughters from those states. So all will be included. If any marginalization occurs, then it would come from the same citizen of the same state.

    We will begin to form formal structures of the Movement as soon as the agreement is signed. The political organs will be separated from the government structures. SPLM county secretaries will be political cadres of the Movement and commissioners will be appointed as career administrators. We must transform SPLM into a political party and the CANs into a civil authority. There will be no ISCOORT since it creates parallel structures with the CANs. Concerning the leadership council, it was formed just for convenience but as soon as peace is signed we will adopt the structures, which are in the agreement so I ask you to be patient until such a time when peace is signed. So the life of the leadership council will come to an end on the date the agreement is signed. SPLA will be a national army upon signature of the agreement.

    Concerning assignment, this is also dictated by the changing situation, as was the case when Cdr. Salva was appointed as a front Cdr. For Bahr el Ghazal. As we go to peace, the establishment of the GHQs will be a necessity.

    On the issue of corruption, this animal has grown bigger, to the extend that we cannot catch it using nets. I am not opposed to South-South dialogue.

    There are already structures formed. We will organize funding for the SPLM transition. Cdr. Wani will be responsible for the SPLM structures and assisted by some members of the leadership council. Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit as COGS will be responsible for all military affairs. He will organize the SPLA army, the Joint integrated Units (JIU), and organize army structures generally. He will be assisted by some members of the leadership council. We need not to repeat the mistakes of Anya Nya 1. There has to be a General Headquarters for the SPLA where it will be organized and structured into formal military structures.

    When all of you are returning to your areas, you have the duty to explain to our people that the commotion that happened was merely rumours and nothing more. We need to finish today so that our technical team leaves tomorrow for the peace talks in Kenya to avoid the Government of Sudan blaming the SPLM for any delay in signing the agreement by 31st December 2004.

    Before I invite the technical committee to explain the remaining points of the talks, I need to say something. The government of Sudan does not like many aspects of the agreement, such as the power sharing agreement, the three areas, the security arrangement and wealth-sharing. But if your enemy is not angry with you, then you are not doing your job. The enemy is forced to accept the agreement and in this regard, it will be our unity that will collectively force the enemy to implement the agreement.

    We must remain constant to our objective of a New Sudan and the right of self-determination. After six years you will vote either for unity or separation. The allegation that there are separatists in the south led by a unionist, me, is a lie. The two scenarios go hand in hand. One scenario may fade away and the other survives. Which one survives will greatly depend on your decision to vote for separation or unity when the time comes. Sudan requires equality, and if that becomes accepted, then there will be no need for a separate country, and if not, then the northerners will be the ones who are separatists and not the southerners. If you achieve the objective of the New Sudan, then why not take the whole country. The failure to get what we want has been our disunity. Disunity is our greatest enemy. There are false prophets who will mislead you that the agreement is bad. Be on your guard against those prophets.

    There have been various forms of struggles; political, military, etc.. We are not going to change our objectives, only the form of our struggle. Production must be transformed to meet our economic needs. We need a transport connection to East Africa and the Great Lakes, i.e. roads, railway, river transport and air transport. We will start on these during the interim period.

    Be assured that the enemy will not defeat us. We will make our political counter attack. We are sure of reaching an agreement within the timeframe set by UN Security Council Resolution 1574, adopted unanimously by the 15 members of the Council in Nairobi, Kenya. Congratulations to all of you and especially to Comrade Salva Kiir Mayardit for achieving this amicable solution to the problem that we have been discussing for the last three days.














    BRIEFING ON THE REMAINING PEACE ANNEXES
    Cdr. Nhial Deng Nhial

    The peace agreement can be divided into six protocols:
    1. Machakos protocol
    2. Power sharing protocols
    3. Wealth sharing protocols
    4. Nuba Mountain/South Kordofan protocol.
    5. Funj/South Blue Nile protocol
    6. Abyei protocols.

    The outstanding issues in the power sharing protocol include:
    • The time frame
    • The structure of certain institutions such as the executive and the legislature
    • The composition of the two houses; the lower and the upper house (whether it should have 300 or 500 members for example).

    The outstanding issues for the three areas include:
    • The designation of Nuba Mountain/South Kordofan
    • The work of a special committee on the destitution of Ngok Dinka land of Abyei.

    The outstanding issues on wealth sharing include:
    • The distribution mechanism of oil revenues.
    • Contracts with oil companies.
    • Transfer of 50% to the GOSS.
    • The banking system.

    The outstanding issues of the Security Arrangement include:
    • Funding the army.

    Plenary Discussion

    Sodu Ibrahim - Nuba
    Let the name be maintained as Nuba Mountain Region/State and let those on the side of the government call it South Kordofan. Let the land be administered using customary laws so that we protect our land and own it during the interim period. Do we have something clear on a percentage of the oil revenue to Nuba Mountains and South Blue Nile? On the issue of the security arrangement in the Nuba Mountains during the interim period, will the withdrawal of 1000 go beyond the border of 1956?

    Akol Paul
    On the currency, how do we manage an economy during the interim period? For the Security arrangements, do we have any committee working on the doctrine for a joint integrated government? These are challenges that will face SPLM/A during the peace period.

    Isaac Kon Anok.
    Point on funding the SPLA.The government of Sudan is refusing to fund the army. What is the size of the force to be funded?

    CDr. Luis Lobang.
    How much money will the maintenance of our forces cost; what will be budgeted for in the GOSS? Why not ask for resources from outside to fund our forces during the interim period? If we are allowing our forces to be funded by the government of Sudan, what is the guarantee that it won’t sabotage our forces?

    David Nok Marial.
    My worry is that the SPLA is not a people’s base organization.

    Achol Ciir Rehan.
    What would be the share for the South if oil is discovered in the North? What will be the security arrangements for the Chairman when he takes up office of the 1st Vice-President? What will be the position of women?

    Awut Deng.
    We need direction as women on whether we are aiming for unity or separation of South Sudan? What about the imbalance in the role women play? We need security and peace for women to participate in the referendum. What is the plan of the SPLM/A for widows, orphans and the disabled, and where is this plan? Are we going to adapt the proposed states by the government or are we going to meet as southerners to discuss the region?

    CDr. Ismail Khamis.
    What is the position for Nuba and Funj when it comes to South-South dialogue? we need to be included also. What will be the fate of SPLA forces in the Nuba Mountains and Funj fronts in case the referendum goes for southern independence?

    Cdr. Peter Wal.
    The funding of the SPLA must be guaranteed in the agreement. The GOSS, State Government and County authorities must devise ways to maintain the SPLA.

    Uncle Ramizi Monypiny.
    Previously, southerners were very much divided during the signing of the Addis Ababa agreement in 1972. The 6000 forces settled at Addis Ababa agreement did not take place. I advise the movement to be careful about tricks of the Khartoum Government. Remember that what is accepted in the agreement must be protected. We don’t need half way solutions for the army. The SPLM has made us proud, you have done your part and the rest will be done by the community. It is the responsibility of the SPLM to lead us to the independence of southern Sudan. I support the general leadership to remain as it liberated us. The six years is going to be your test.

    Dr. Riek Machar.
    The funding of the army needs to come through Khartoum because strategically, they have the resources. My position is that we need to develop our armed forces – Air Force, Navy Signal, and Tanks etc. – so that we develop in the south an interior army for strategic reasons;
    - the command of the SAF and SPLA forces will be a joint command JDB (Joint Defence
    Board),
    - the issue of the figure for the army is important when determining funding.

    Cdr. Malik Agar.
    In the security arrangements, it was agreed that the integrated units should be added up to 3000. Any access forces should be moved to within the borders of 1956. There are many scenarios as to what would happen in the two areas after the popular consultation, but in any event, we will need the SPLA as a well disciplined and organized body. On the issue of the detention and name of Nuba Mountains or Southern Kordofan State, I suggest that the name of Nuba remain because our fighters in the region have been fighting for the dignity and liberation of the land. The question about wealth sharing in the two areas will be discussed by GOSS.

    Response from Dr. Garang to questions from the Plenary:
    We want to maintain Nuba Mountains as the name, but the government’s position wants it to be called Southern Kordofan. The agreement is clear about the consultation process.
     What we do with access troops when government troops withdraw or are redeployed from Southern Sudan was left for the presidency to decide in terms of size and management.
     On the question of land in the two areas, the powers under land are concurrent and the state land commission will supervise land dispute and allocation.
     The issue of currency is resolved by the agreement, but our problem is the production of our own currency.
     A common military doctrine will be resolved within one year from the day of signing of the agreement.
     On the issue of funding the SPLA forces legally, there is provision mandating the national government to support the SPLA and SAF. The SPLA shall be paid from SPLA HQs and not from the central government. Finally, we have agreed on the ceiling figures for the SPLA and SAF.
     The reorganization of the SPLA is crucial for the protection of the agreement and referendum.
     The share or percentage of oil in south Sudan will be discussed by the GOSS.
     The security of the Chairman while in Khartoum as 1st Vice-President will be a part of the agreement.
     There is an urgent call for women’s empowerment by creating more opportunities in education, health and in the economy.
     On the situation of widows, orphans and the disabled the SPLM led GOSS shall plan a programme to reduce poverty for these groups.
     On the issue of South-South dialogue the SPLM is very clear about other initiatives such as Nuba-Nuba and North-North dialogue. You are encouraged both in the south and in Nuba, and Funj to participate in each of the movement’s dialogues.




















    S/NO RANK NAME IN FULL
    1 Cdr/Dr. John Garang de Mabior
    2 Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit
    3 Cdr./Dr. Riek Machar
    4 Cdr. James Wani Igga
    5 Cdr. Nyandeng de Mabior
    6 Cdr. Daniel Awet Akot
    7 Cdr. Kuol Manyang Juuk
    8 Cdr. Nhial Deng Nhial
    9 Cdr. Pagan Amum Akech
    10 Cdr. Deng Alor Kuol
    11 Cdr. Malik Agar
    12 Cdr. Abdelaziz Adam Alhilu
    13 Cdr. John Koang Nyuon
    14 Justice Ambrose Riing Thiik
    15 Cdr. Elijah Malok Aleng
    16 Cdr./Dr. Justin Yac
    17 Cdr. Daniel Kodi
    18 Cdr. Michael Makuei Lueth
    19 Mr. Kosti Manibe
    20 Mr. Bandindi Pascal Uru
    21 CDr. Chagai Atem Biar
    22 Mrs. Mama Kezia Leyinwa Nicodumas
    23 Mr. Stephen Ali Komanyangi
    24 Cdr. Taban Deng Gai
    25 Cdr. Fr. Kinga George Moding
    26 Justice Bullen Panchol Awal
    27 Cdr. Bona Baak Dhol
    28 CDr. Henry Kuany Aguar
    29 Luciano G. Bakinde
    30 Hon Gabriel Mathiang Rok
    31 Mohamed Murjan Bandigo
    32 Cdr./Justice Aleu Akechak Jok
    33 Cdr. Agasio Akol Thong
    34 Mr. Paul Matthew Rikito
    35 Cdr. Alag Wek Gai
    36 Leonard Logo Mulukuat
    37 Cdr./Dr. Bellano Ahoy Ngong
    38 Rev. Canon Clement Janda
    39 Simon Wol Mawien
    40 Cdr. Daniel Deng Monydit
    41 Cdr. Alfred Deng Aluk
    42 Cdr. Deng Dau Deng
    43 Ezekiel Machuei Kodi
    44
    45 Ambassador Philip Obang Oyueay
    46 Simon D. Puok Tierdol
    47 Cdr. Peter Parnyang Daniel
    48 Cdr. Makuei Deng Majuk
    49 Cdr. Jeremiah Tellar Deyuol
    50 Lokulenge L. Lole
    51 Cdr./Justice Paul Mayom Akec
    52 Cdr. John Luk Jok

    53 Cdr. Edward Abyoi Lino
    54 Cdr. Paul Malong Awan
    55 Cdr. Mamur Mete Ongina
    56 Cdr. Biar Atem Ajang
    57 Cdr. Elias Waya Nyipuoch
    58 Cdr. Daniel Ayual Makoi
    59 Cdr. Malek Ruben Riak
    60 Cdr. Dut Domkooc
    61 Cdr. Ismail Khamis Jacob
    62 Cdr. Kitchener Mothan Kolen
    63 Cdr. Patrick Aiteng Lotwa
    64 Cdr. Jadalla Agustino Wani
    65 Cdr. Peing Deng Kuol
    66 Cdr. Thomas Duoth Guet
    67 Cdr. Dau Malok Akec Deng
    68 Cdr. Gabriel Alaak Garang
    69 Cdr. Yousif Kara Haroun
    70 Cdr. Jagoud Makwar Mrada
    71 Cdr. Edward Chan Dau
    72 Cdr. Ayuen Alier Jongror
    73 Cdr. Isaiah Alier Mashinkok
    74 Cdr. Simon Yien Makuac
    75 Cdr. Rahama Kobshi
    76 Lt. Col. Abud Mohamedan
    77 Capt. Jubana Hussein
    78 Cdr. Emelio Igga Alimas
    79 Duol Cithiel Muorte
    80 Cdr. Mangar Buong
    81 Capt. David Nok Marial
    82 Lt. Dut Abraham Gum
    83 Maluak Muorwel Makuei
    84 Abdalla Ali
    85 Aleu Akol Garang
    86 Arkengelo Michael
    87 Joseph maker
    88 Cdr. Peter Gatwel Thor
    89 Cdr. Kezekia Ruei Puot
    90 Santino Malual Mel
    91 A/Cdr. Somon Jalduong Matuek
    92 A/Cdr. Sodi Ibrahim Chemelia
    93 Musa Mali Kat
    94 Makki Kaffi Makki
    95 Hamad Darjued
    96 Cdr. Peter Jerkis Jaden
    97 Lt. Col. James Aciei Akuen
    98 Cdr. Enock Majok Yaak
    99 Lt. Col. Marko Malou
    100 Capt Louis Anei Kuendit
    101 Cdr. Victor Akok Anei
    102 Ayen Toby Madut
    103 Susen Wasuk Lual
    104 Achol Cyier Rehan
    105 Cdr. Louis Lobang Lojore
    106 Isaac Deng Agoktur
    107 Cleto Akot Dut
    108 Cdr. Nyidok O. Nyidok
    109 Cdr. Dok Jok Dok
    110 Hassan Abbas Abumas
    111 Cdr. Richard Remo Soro
    112 Capt. Mayen Noi Awol
    113 Cdr. James Gatluak
    114 Cdr. Peter Tap Gadet
    115 Lt. Col. Ogato Cham Gilo
    116 A/Cdr. Mary Biba
    117 A/Cdr. Bangasi Joseph
    118 A/Cdr. Justin A. Titajo
    119 Michael Majok Ayom
    120 Abdalla Ibrahim Abbas
    121 Majok Lang Bilkuei
    122 Elia Bith Kur
    123 Capt. Razik Zakaria
    124 Cdr. James Bol Nyok
    125 Cdr. Denis Anyouk Yor
    126 Cdr. John Laat Zakaria
    127 A/Cdr. Samuel Tet Machar
    128 Major Johnson Kuol Gai
    129 A/Cdr. John Duom Warabek
    130 Major Gabriel Duop Lalu
    131 Cdr. George Saroug Deng
    132 Cdr. Telar Ring Takpiny Deng
    133 Cdr. Simon Kun Puoc
    134 Major Chol Thomas Makuek
    135 Makuei Mathayo Ruel
    136 Akuei Deng Akuei
    137 Gai Manyang
    138 David Dhieu Dhieu
    139 Atak Deng Akol
    140 Anyasio Madut Ayal
    141 Lino Nhial Thiep
    142 Manyok Ayii Jok
    143 Achek Paul Lado
    144 Charles Dit Akol
    145 Angelo Taban Golo
    146 Dok Michar Chol
    147 Jacob Mayor Mayen
    148 Dau Gureng Awol
    149 John Gajang Awol
    150 Angelo Jong Jol
    151 John Kumuri Ruben
    152 Alpayo Adet Manyuong
    153 John Akoon
    154 Madut Dau Kooc
    155 Elijah Biar Kuol
    156 Edward Achuil Akoch
    157 Bol Giir Thiik
    158 Gabriel Anyar Madut
    159 Cdr. Bandak Chuol Dhol
    160 Cdr. Dau Aturjong Nyuol
    161 A/Cdr. Chol Mabil Deng
    162 Samson Mabior Lual
    163 Nehemia Atu Toric
    164 Lt. Col. John Kony Moldeng
    165 Biajo Minonjo
    166 Mathok Diing Wol
    167 Lt. Col. Alieu Alieu Yor
    168 Lt. Col. Karlo Ken Ken
    169 Lt. Col. Dhel Agiu Maluil
    170 A/Cdr. Kamal Mohamed
    171 Akok Bol Deng
    172 Majak Nyuon Mawut
    173 Bior Akoch Majok
    174 Major Manaseh Mayen Malek
    175 Chirilo Chol Deng
    176 Malek Akuin Lueth
    177 Thiar maker Malual
    178 Adut Dut Achol
    179 Atok Atem Barac
    180 Monyrok Deng Matel
    181 Deng Malual Riing
    182 Agok Manyiel Dhieu
    183 Cdr. Kur Kuol Ajieu
    184 Cdr. Maker Deng Mac
    185 Mangar Mathok Machar
    186 Gideon Shulur Mbele
    187 Marial Dongrin Ater
    188 Malok Majak Malok
    189 Marko Monyic
    190 Sapana Abuyi
    191 Jou Isaac
    192 Daniel Dut Mayen
    193 Justin Ongwec
    194 Agad Chol
    195 Lordvico Lual Lok
    196 Aganomo Ajigi
    197 Mary Athil
    198 Major Gac Kachuol
    199 Manel Chuong Yol
    200 Cdr. Gabriel Jou Riak
    201 Cdr. Mabior Kiir Muketh
    202 Cdr. Monywiir Arop
    203 Cdr. Chokrac Alith Kudum
    204 Matur Ajaac Deng
    205 James Ruac Kuon
    206
    207 Lt. Col. Abraham Mayom
    208 Lt. Col. Makur Nhial Makeny
    209 Mangok Kwalil
    210 Capt. Malek Majok Agok
    210 1st Lt. Benjamin Lual Lam
    211 Major Mangar Majak Malok
    212 Joseph Majak Cadong
    213 Capt. William Nyuon
    214 2nd Lt. Kuot Malong Akot
    215 2nd Lt. Joseph Lagu Martin
    216 1st Lt Francis Sohoti Sidoro
    217 Capt. Chol Agoth Deng
    218 Major Peter Arop
    219 Capt. Albino Akuei Nyong
    220 2nd Lt. Madut Yom Madut
    221 2nd Lt. Dut Akot Athiang
    222 2nd Lt. Yac Nyuol
    223 1st Lt Manut Agoth Dau
    224 1st Lt. Malek Deng Mawien
    225 Capt. Samuel Aru Dilec
    226 2nd Lt. Michael Taban Elijara
    227 2nd Lt. Tereza Agol Nhial
    228 Capt. Bol Yol Deng
    229 2nd Lt. Daniel Mayom Maker
    230 Lt. Col. Bor Philip
    231 Major Charles Deng Manin
    232 Cdr. Dominic Diim
    233 Cdr. Oyai Deng Ajak
    234 Cdr. Peter Wal
    235 Cdr. Anthony Bol Madut
    236 Cdr. Bior Ajang Duot
    237 Cdr. David Dual Palek
    238 CDr. Gier Chuang Aluong
    239 Cdr. Garang Mabil Deng
    240 Cdr. Biar Atem Ajang
    241 Lt. Col. Rin Tueny Mabor Deng









    * The order of names is not necessarily based on seniority but on how people were seated.

    Minutes prepared by:

    • Cdr. Mark Nyipoch (Cabinet Affairs and master of ceremony)
    • Cdr. Telar Deng
    • Cdr. George Garang
    • Cdr. Deng Dau
    • Cdr. Gabriel Gatwich
    • Lt. Col. Tulio Odongi
    • Dr. Deng Dongrin


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    Sorry Mr. Habani
    I went with the title of your post. I did not notice your introductory note.

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    Quote: The only (shumaleen) you are looking for are Dr. Mansur Khalid and Cd. Yasir Arman. The rest of ( shumaleen) did participate). Of course, it might be difficut to untrained eyes to see the names of the representatives from the areas of Nuba Mountains,the Kordufan and the Blue Nile regions on the list.


    ما قصدته من قولي هذا هو قول واضح نرجو الافادة فيه ان كنت تملك اجابة صريحة لمصلحة الجميع في قضية عامة وهي قضية وطن ملكنا جميعا وليس ملك افراد او حركات ...فالجنوب في فهمي البسيط والذي لا اجامل فيه ليس ملك الجنوبيين ولا الشمال ملك الشماليين ولا الغرب ملك الغرابة ولا الشرق ملك الشرقيين ولا الوسط ملك الوسطيين..فالوطن لنا جميعا بالتساوي ..فالذين صنعوا استقلاله وحرروه حرروه لاجلنا جميعا..لماذا غيبت من هذا الاجتماع المصيري الحاسم عناصر قيادية في الحركة من الشمال الجغرافي السوداني وهي عناصر اساسية. فالسودان لا يمكن ان تختذل لاجله الجغرافيا في اتجاهين فقط شمال وجنوب فهنالك غرب وشرق ووسط وما عنيتهم هي قيادات تاريخية اساسية لم تخن الحركة ابدا عبر مسيرتها وهم ابطال شجعان اتخذوا قرارات تاريخية شجاعة وهجروا اهلهم واحزابهم ومناطقهم للالتحاق بالحركة الشعبية لاجل تحرير شعب السودان وفقا لرؤيتها القومية الشاملة... فاندهشت حد الحزن عندما يستثنى هؤلاء من هكذا اجتماع بينما حضره بقية القيادات ومنهم من خان الحركة وقاتلها وتحالف مع اعدائها.. ومنهم الجهوي من هو دون شعارات الحركة القومية ولا زال سؤالي قائما:ما هي المعايير التي اهلت اخرين لحضور ذاك الاجتماع وحالت دون حضور اخرين ليسوا اقل منهم عطاء وخبرات!؟
    اما بخصوص الاخوة المناضلين من جبال النوبة وجنوب النيل الازرق فهؤلاء مناضلون في الحركة لهم عطاءاتهم المشهودة وهم ايضا يقاتلون لاجل مناطقهم فقط ولهم وضعية خاصة في اتفاق نيفاشا..ولكن الذين عنيتهم هم من يقاتلون حتى الان بوعي قومي لاجل كل السودان وليس جنوب السودان او جنوب النيل الازرق او جبال النوبة ومن الطبيعي فهم اولي بالحضور لذاك الاجتماع التاريخي!؟
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06-12-2007, 01:07 AM

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    Mr. Habani
    I had the opportunity to spent a year at La Universidad Central de las Villas Ernesto 'Che' Guivara in Santa Clara, Cuba. El Che is the man you have on your profile. He was not Cuban but a native of Argentina in South America. He believed strongly in the freedom of humans, regardles of their creed, origins or color of their skins. After fighting alongside Castro against Batista, he left Cuba and went as far as Africa. He met his Maker in Bolivia in the late sixties. He was a true internationalists. Northerners in the Movement are true nationalists and are there because of their convictions.
    It is because of those Nationalists Northerners, including those you have excluded from your introductory note, that people like myself may give a united Sudan a second chance come the refrendum. The tone of your rhetoric does not alarm me a bit. Garang lied in Kokadam because of Mensur Khalid, no mondukoro in the GOSS, Pagan is saparatist and so is Kiir. It is the daily drum beat, from left, centre to the far right, the future of the Northerners in the Movement. What exactly distinguishes you from those on the Intibha?

    (عدل بواسطة Zakaria Joseph on 06-12-2007, 01:30 AM)

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06-12-2007, 01:35 AM

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: Zakaria Joseph)

    اخي ذكريا

    اني فتحت هذا البوست بسؤال استنكاري محدد اريد اجابة عليه
    لانه سؤال هام يتعلق بالصدقية والشفافية داخل حركة وحدها من احتكر بين كل حركات السودان السياسية اضخم شعار الغت به كل الحركات الاخرى وهي تطرح نفسها الحركة الشعبية لتحرير السودان وهي بهذا الشعار الضخم تضع نفسها امام تحد كبير اما فعلا هي بحجم هذا الشعار القومي الضخم وهي في هذه الحالة ملزمة بكل تفاصيل هذا الشعار وتداعياته ومن هنا جاء سؤالي استنكاريا.. واما هي الان دون هذاالشعار.. فعليها في هذه الحالة اعلان نفسها بشجاعة عدم قدرتها في المواصلة في هذا الشعار القومي الحالم حتي لا يتورط كثير من القوميين السودانيين في التعاطف مع الحركة الشعبية لتحرير السودان باعتبار ما كان لانها ما عادت حركة تسع جميع السودانيين بمختلف جهاتهم واعراقهم!!
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06-12-2007, 01:52 AM

Zakaria Joseph

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    Ustaz Habani
    Your key verb is the passive voiced (gweeb) and not (Gab) implying that Southerners and others conspired to snub Dr. Mansur, Cdr Arman and others from that meeting. But, then Sir, What could really be more transparent than what you just posted. Read carefully the minutes, and you will see nobody has ever held a holly stick in the Movement.
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15-12-2007, 07:18 AM

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06-12-2007, 03:01 AM

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    الاخ هشام.

    أنا لا أدري ما هو السبب الذي جعلك تفتح مثل هذا البوست وفي مثل هذا التوقيت الغريب بالذات؟

    يا عزيزي هشام الحركة الشعبية لتحرير السودان هي الحزب السوداني الوحيد الذي يوجد به أعضاء من جميع أنحاء السودان, وإذا قارنت ذلك مع الاحزاب السودانية الاخرى سوف تجد الحركة الشعبية تسبقهم بمية سنة ضوئية من حيث العضوية والطرح السياسي القومي الوطني. الحركة الشعبية الحزب السوداني الوحيد الذي لا توجد لديه أيدلوجية مستوردة أو دينية أو طائفية. الحركة مازالت في بداية الطريق وهي تحقق كل ذلك فما بالك في المستقبل؟ ولا تنسى القيادات التي تنتمي الى الاجيال الجديدة وهي في مواقع قيادية داخل الحركة الشعبية. أين الاحزاب السودانية الاخرى من كل ذلك يا هشام هباني؟ هل يمكن لك أن تدلني على أي سياسي من جنوب السودان يعادل مكانة ياسر عرمان في الحركة الشعبيةمن ضمن الحزبين الكبيرين الامة والاتحادي؟


    دينق.
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06-12-2007, 03:33 AM

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: Deng)

    العزيز سلطان دينق

    لا زلت انسانا باحثا عن الحقيقة ولا كبير عندي الا الله...ولا اشخاص ولا مؤسسات عندي
    فوق النقد والشبهات طالما يديرها بشر مثلنا يصيبون ويخطئون ومن هنا لا مصونية ولا قداسة لفرد او مؤسسة ومن هنا جاء نقدي للحركة الشعبية كحركة سودانية عامة جديدة ورائدة تنطلق من واقع شعار قومي كبير فضفاض وخلاب..واري اليوم بعين ماحصة ان الحركة لم تحقق الكثير في ربط هذه الشعارات بالواقع واراها تتقاصر عن اطروحتها القومية وهي تنهزم لتيارات انعزالية وانفصاليه بشكل واضح ..وما حدث في اجتماع رمبيك من اقصاء قيادات بارزة من شمال السودان وهم اعضاء تاريخيون بالحركة يدلل علي هذا الخلل البين في الحركة ..ومن هنا لا زلت اريد توضيحا حول هذه الظرفية التي حالت دون اشراك تلكم القيادات في ذلك المؤتمر الهام جدا.

    مودتي واحتراماتي
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06-12-2007, 10:48 AM

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06-12-2007, 11:59 AM

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    لو تغيب واحد او اثنان من اولئك القادة لقلنا الامر عادي جدا لكن ان يغيب الجميع بلا استثناء ويكون عضوانفصالي بقامة رياك مشار واحد الذين خانوا الحركة ذات ايام وطردتهم وعاد اليها في تلكم الايام وهو من المتصدرين هذا الاجتماع..هنا يكون لتشككي منطق وحجة تدعمه.. وللاسف تم ذلك الاجتماع بقيادة الراحل دكتور جون قرنق!
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06-12-2007, 02:57 PM

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06-12-2007, 07:37 PM

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07-12-2007, 06:14 AM

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07-12-2007, 02:00 PM

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    ادناه هذه قائمة حضور الاجتماع خالية من اسماء القادة الشماليين البارزين في الحركةوهو امر يترك علامة استفهام كبيرة حول هذا الغياب اوالتغييب ولماذا يتم ذلك في حضور قائد الحركة الوحدوي الراحل قرنق...لانه مهما كانت هنالك مبررات ارى انها غير مقنعة ابدا في حركة رفعت هذا الشعار القومي حركة لتحرير شعب السودان وعند الامور المفصلية والحاسمة والمحكات كان ينبغي ان تكون اكثر وضوحا وشفافية في التمسك بمبادئها وحريصة جدا علي وحدة مناضليهابشكل قومي عادل.. ولا زلت في انتظار ردود شافية وشفافة من عضوية المنبر من الشماليين السودانيين اعضاء الحركة الشعبية لتوضيح ملابسات هذا الامر الحساس جدا لتمليك الناس الحقائق مجردة حول ما يدور في حركة عامة هي ملك شعب السودان حسبما طرحت نفسهاحيث الشفافية والصدقية مطلوبة جدا في مثل هذه الامور العامة لكي يقيم الاخرون بناء عليهامسار هذه الحركة القومية.

    S/NO RANK NAME IN FULL
    1 Cdr/Dr. John Garang de Mabior
    2 Cdr. Salva Kiir Mayardit
    3 Cdr./Dr. Riek Machar
    4 Cdr. James Wani Igga
    5 Cdr. Nyandeng de Mabior
    6 Cdr. Daniel Awet Akot
    7 Cdr. Kuol Manyang Juuk
    8 Cdr. Nhial Deng Nhial
    9 Cdr. Pagan Amum Akech
    10 Cdr. Deng Alor Kuol
    11 Cdr. Malik Agar
    12 Cdr. Abdelaziz Adam Alhilu
    13 Cdr. John Koang Nyuon
    14 Justice Ambrose Riing Thiik
    15 Cdr. Elijah Malok Aleng
    16 Cdr./Dr. Justin Yac
    17 Cdr. Daniel Kodi
    18 Cdr. Michael Makuei Lueth
    19 Mr. Kosti Manibe
    20 Mr. Bandindi Pascal Uru
    21 CDr. Chagai Atem Biar
    22 Mrs. Mama Kezia Leyinwa Nicodumas
    23 Mr. Stephen Ali Komanyangi
    24 Cdr. Taban Deng Gai
    25 Cdr. Fr. Kinga George Moding
    26 Justice Bullen Panchol Awal
    27 Cdr. Bona Baak Dhol
    28 CDr. Henry Kuany Aguar
    29 Luciano G. Bakinde
    30 Hon Gabriel Mathiang Rok
    31 Mohamed Murjan Bandigo
    32 Cdr./Justice Aleu Akechak Jok
    33 Cdr. Agasio Akol Thong
    34 Mr. Paul Matthew Rikito
    35 Cdr. Alag Wek Gai
    36 Leonard Logo Mulukuat
    37 Cdr./Dr. Bellano Ahoy Ngong
    38 Rev. Canon Clement Janda
    39 Simon Wol Mawien
    40 Cdr. Daniel Deng Monydit
    41 Cdr. Alfred Deng Aluk
    42 Cdr. Deng Dau Deng
    43 Ezekiel Machuei Kodi
    44
    45 Ambassador Philip Obang Oyueay
    46 Simon D. Puok Tierdol
    47 Cdr. Peter Parnyang Daniel
    48 Cdr. Makuei Deng Majuk
    49 Cdr. Jeremiah Tellar Deyuol
    50 Lokulenge L. Lole
    51 Cdr./Justice Paul Mayom Akec
    52 Cdr. John Luk Jok

    53 Cdr. Edward Abyoi Lino
    54 Cdr. Paul Malong Awan
    55 Cdr. Mamur Mete Ongina
    56 Cdr. Biar Atem Ajang
    57 Cdr. Elias Waya Nyipuoch
    58 Cdr. Daniel Ayual Makoi
    59 Cdr. Malek Ruben Riak
    60 Cdr. Dut Domkooc
    61 Cdr. Ismail Khamis Jacob
    62 Cdr. Kitchener Mothan Kolen
    63 Cdr. Patrick Aiteng Lotwa
    64 Cdr. Jadalla Agustino Wani
    65 Cdr. Peing Deng Kuol
    66 Cdr. Thomas Duoth Guet
    67 Cdr. Dau Malok Akec Deng
    68 Cdr. Gabriel Alaak Garang
    69 Cdr. Yousif Kara Haroun
    70 Cdr. Jagoud Makwar Mrada
    71 Cdr. Edward Chan Dau
    72 Cdr. Ayuen Alier Jongror
    73 Cdr. Isaiah Alier Mashinkok
    74 Cdr. Simon Yien Makuac
    75 Cdr. Rahama Kobshi
    76 Lt. Col. Abud Mohamedan
    77 Capt. Jubana Hussein
    78 Cdr. Emelio Igga Alimas
    79 Duol Cithiel Muorte
    80 Cdr. Mangar Buong
    81 Capt. David Nok Marial
    82 Lt. Dut Abraham Gum
    83 Maluak Muorwel Makuei
    84 Abdalla Ali
    85 Aleu Akol Garang
    86 Arkengelo Michael
    87 Joseph maker
    88 Cdr. Peter Gatwel Thor
    89 Cdr. Kezekia Ruei Puot
    90 Santino Malual Mel
    91 A/Cdr. Somon Jalduong Matuek
    92 A/Cdr. Sodi Ibrahim Chemelia
    93 Musa Mali Kat
    94 Makki Kaffi Makki
    95 Hamad Darjued
    96 Cdr. Peter Jerkis Jaden
    97 Lt. Col. James Aciei Akuen
    98 Cdr. Enock Majok Yaak
    99 Lt. Col. Marko Malou
    100 Capt Louis Anei Kuendit
    101 Cdr. Victor Akok Anei
    102 Ayen Toby Madut
    103 Susen Wasuk Lual
    104 Achol Cyier Rehan
    105 Cdr. Louis Lobang Lojore
    106 Isaac Deng Agoktur
    107 Cleto Akot Dut
    108 Cdr. Nyidok O. Nyidok
    109 Cdr. Dok Jok Dok
    110 Hassan Abbas Abumas
    111 Cdr. Richard Remo Soro
    112 Capt. Mayen Noi Awol
    113 Cdr. James Gatluak
    114 Cdr. Peter Tap Gadet
    115 Lt. Col. Ogato Cham Gilo
    116 A/Cdr. Mary Biba
    117 A/Cdr. Bangasi Joseph
    118 A/Cdr. Justin A. Titajo
    119 Michael Majok Ayom
    120 Abdalla Ibrahim Abbas
    121 Majok Lang Bilkuei
    122 Elia Bith Kur
    123 Capt. Razik Zakaria
    124 Cdr. James Bol Nyok
    125 Cdr. Denis Anyouk Yor
    126 Cdr. John Laat Zakaria
    127 A/Cdr. Samuel Tet Machar
    128 Major Johnson Kuol Gai
    129 A/Cdr. John Duom Warabek
    130 Major Gabriel Duop Lalu
    131 Cdr. George Saroug Deng
    132 Cdr. Telar Ring Takpiny Deng
    133 Cdr. Simon Kun Puoc
    134 Major Chol Thomas Makuek
    135 Makuei Mathayo Ruel
    136 Akuei Deng Akuei
    137 Gai Manyang
    138 David Dhieu Dhieu
    139 Atak Deng Akol
    140 Anyasio Madut Ayal
    141 Lino Nhial Thiep
    142 Manyok Ayii Jok
    143 Achek Paul Lado
    144 Charles Dit Akol
    145 Angelo Taban Golo
    146 Dok Michar Chol
    147 Jacob Mayor Mayen
    148 Dau Gureng Awol
    149 John Gajang Awol
    150 Angelo Jong Jol
    151 John Kumuri Ruben
    152 Alpayo Adet Manyuong
    153 John Akoon
    154 Madut Dau Kooc
    155 Elijah Biar Kuol
    156 Edward Achuil Akoch
    157 Bol Giir Thiik
    158 Gabriel Anyar Madut
    159 Cdr. Bandak Chuol Dhol
    160 Cdr. Dau Aturjong Nyuol
    161 A/Cdr. Chol Mabil Deng
    162 Samson Mabior Lual
    163 Nehemia Atu Toric
    164 Lt. Col. John Kony Moldeng
    165 Biajo Minonjo
    166 Mathok Diing Wol
    167 Lt. Col. Alieu Alieu Yor
    168 Lt. Col. Karlo Ken Ken
    169 Lt. Col. Dhel Agiu Maluil
    170 A/Cdr. Kamal Mohamed
    171 Akok Bol Deng
    172 Majak Nyuon Mawut
    173 Bior Akoch Majok
    174 Major Manaseh Mayen Malek
    175 Chirilo Chol Deng
    176 Malek Akuin Lueth
    177 Thiar maker Malual
    178 Adut Dut Achol
    179 Atok Atem Barac
    180 Monyrok Deng Matel
    181 Deng Malual Riing
    182 Agok Manyiel Dhieu
    183 Cdr. Kur Kuol Ajieu
    184 Cdr. Maker Deng Mac
    185 Mangar Mathok Machar
    186 Gideon Shulur Mbele
    187 Marial Dongrin Ater
    188 Malok Majak Malok
    189 Marko Monyic
    190 Sapana Abuyi
    191 Jou Isaac
    192 Daniel Dut Mayen
    193 Justin Ongwec
    194 Agad Chol
    195 Lordvico Lual Lok
    196 Aganomo Ajigi
    197 Mary Athil
    198 Major Gac Kachuol
    199 Manel Chuong Yol
    200 Cdr. Gabriel Jou Riak
    201 Cdr. Mabior Kiir Muketh
    202 Cdr. Monywiir Arop
    203 Cdr. Chokrac Alith Kudum
    204 Matur Ajaac Deng
    205 James Ruac Kuon
    206
    207 Lt. Col. Abraham Mayom
    208 Lt. Col. Makur Nhial Makeny
    209 Mangok Kwalil
    210 Capt. Malek Majok Agok
    210 1st Lt. Benjamin Lual Lam
    211 Major Mangar Majak Malok
    212 Joseph Majak Cadong
    213 Capt. William Nyuon
    214 2nd Lt. Kuot Malong Akot
    215 2nd Lt. Joseph Lagu Martin
    216 1st Lt Francis Sohoti Sidoro
    217 Capt. Chol Agoth Deng
    218 Major Peter Arop
    219 Capt. Albino Akuei Nyong
    220 2nd Lt. Madut Yom Madut
    221 2nd Lt. Dut Akot Athiang
    222 2nd Lt. Yac Nyuol
    223 1st Lt Manut Agoth Dau
    224 1st Lt. Malek Deng Mawien
    225 Capt. Samuel Aru Dilec
    226 2nd Lt. Michael Taban Elijara
    227 2nd Lt. Tereza Agol Nhial
    228 Capt. Bol Yol Deng
    229 2nd Lt. Daniel Mayom Maker
    230 Lt. Col. Bor Philip
    231 Major Charles Deng Manin
    232 Cdr. Dominic Diim
    233 Cdr. Oyai Deng Ajak
    234 Cdr. Peter Wal
    235 Cdr. Anthony Bol Madut
    236 Cdr. Bior Ajang Duot
    237 Cdr. David Dual Palek
    238 CDr. Gier Chuang Aluong
    239 Cdr. Garang Mabil Deng
    240 Cdr. Biar Atem Ajang
    241 Lt. Col. Rin Tueny Mabor Deng









    * The order of names is not necessarily based on seniority but on how people were seated.

    Minutes prepared by:

    • Cdr. Mark Nyipoch (Cabinet Affairs and master of ceremony)
    • Cdr. Telar Deng
    • Cdr. George Garang
    • Cdr. Deng Dau
    • Cdr. Gabriel Gatwich
    • Lt. Col. Tulio Odongi
    • Dr. Deng Dongrin



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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    الاخ هشام هباني
    القائمة الموجودة معك غير صحيحة او انها ملفقة لا تملك ادلة لاثبات صحتها..
    الحركة الشعبية مؤسسة او حركة حاربت فترة طويلة ليست من السهلة الحصول على تلك القائمة بهذه
    الصورة السهلة و اذا اردت ان تلعب بعقول الناس هنا على هذا المنبر فلك ما تشاء.
    احسن خليك مع غيفارا بتاعك دي انت امام حزب جرب كل انواع الخطط ونجح في معظمها..
    خليك مع غيفارا من فضلك واحسن لك!

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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: JOK BIONG)

    الاخ العزيز جوك

    Quote: القائمة الموجودة معك غير صحيحة او انها ملفقة لا تملك ادلة لاثبات صحتها..
    الحركة الشعبية مؤسسة او حركة حاربت فترة طويلة ليست من السهلة الحصول على تلك القائمة بهذه
    الصورة السهلة و اذا اردت ان تلعب بعقول الناس هنا على هذا المنبر فلك ما تشاء.
    احسن خليك مع غيفارا بتاعك دي انت امام حزب جرب كل انواع الخطط ونجح في معظمها..
    خليك مع غيفارا من فضلك واحسن لك!


    للاسف لم تنف رسميا الحركة الشعبية هذه الوثيقة التاريخية والتي صارت امرا متداولا في ايدي الجميع وليس هنالك ما يعيبها في نشرها طالما تتحدث عن امور الحركة الاستراتيجية من خلال اجتماع تاريخي معلوم وليس امرا خيانيا.
    فقط ما اردته من هذا البوست هو التوضيح من قبل الاخوة اعضاء الحركة الشماليين ان ينفوا او يثبتوا هذه المعلومة وايضا صحة الوثيقة من عدمها لانه اذا ثبت صحة هذه القائمة فهوامر هام له دلالات سلبية جدا في حق حركة قومية ثورية ارادت تحرير شعب السودان.
    محبتي واحترامي
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Re: هل غاب ام غيب القادة الشماليون في اجتماع رمبيك الشهير!؟ (Re: هشام هباني)

    Dear Brother Hasham
    Slam sorry am far from my PC this ahy am writing in English
    frist of all you are right if you are talking about
    the nile northern Sudanese but if you are talking abiout norhten as general
    Malik agar Abdulaziz and many from Darfur south blue nile and Nuba Mountain
    were there
    more over i was the befor any body els
    me Malik Agar and Dr Reyak Machar we lead the medaition
    to Convence Cdr Salva Keer to Accept the the meeting and to Address the
    problem ploticaly , we were four , the meeting started in Yei
    @ 830 and went untill 530 in the mmorning
    we manged to do what we meant to do , and Dr reyak was the one who played it well
    from his expeince and was hounest about it , we reah the point is what
    Cdr Salva is saying is fair but the tool should not be the gun
    any way your quition about then the river nile norhtern Sudanese they were not there
    becuase simply we as mediator we did all the things fast less than three days
    all those who were not there they were out of South Sudan or a way from Niarobi , Uganda which
    you can consider them like in south becuase they are closer
    yassir Arman was in Asmara and to get him from Asmara he has to go Cairo and then from there to Nairobi
    and the Egaypt air to Asmara was once a week omly thursday Emaraate also onces a week
    the same thing Yassir Jaffar
    sWathig kumeer was in Tunisia and so many reason
    i was around but i flow out of Runeak the same day of the meeting to china with some SPLn/A colegues
    for a meeting there
    if i was around ypu have seen my name
    because i was one of the mediator and one of the orgenizer for this meeting
    am the one who organize all the people flights to Rumeak
    any way i wish if i have Arbic here i would have written better and more details
    am not good in using english for writting
    but may be i have answer part of your legotmate quetion
    thanks and Slam again
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